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Newsletter from London - 1/15/2006 1:19:43 PM    Mihai   Posts: 276 Joined: 1/3/2006 Status: offline Hi, I've been again to Thames but I'm not pretending that was for fossils anymore. I admit, I was looking for bottles. No luck for full ones, but some necks and other pieces. However I found something interesting: about 25 clay pipes, two bottle necks with inside thread complete with hard rubber stoppers (but without the bottles themselves) and a pot or jar lid of 62mm diameter. One of stoppers have written on top "R WHITE & SONS LONDON". Please take a look at the pictures and give me some informations about my finds. Thank you. Attachment (1) Post #: 1

RE: Newsletter from London - 1/15/2006 1:21:00 PM    Mihai   Posts: 276 Joined: 1/3/2006 Status: offline A picture of the necks. Attachment (1) (in reply to Mihai) Post #: 2

RE: Newsletter from London - 1/15/2006 1:22:17 PM    Mihai   Posts: 276 Joined: 1/3/2006 Status: offline And the clay pipes found today. Attachment (1) (in reply to Mihai) Post #: 3

RE: Newsletter from London - 1/15/2006 1:27:29 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline I can't give you to much info on what you got, but I'm guessing it was close to a tavern. Maybe a privy to close to the water that is starting to be washed out? If you found all those pipe pieces in the same spot then probe that spot and see if you hit any glass. I'm sure there's a few people here that can give you a close date on your finds. Jason (in reply to Mihai) Post #: 4

RE: Newsletter from London - 1/15/2006 1:38:49 PM    Mihai   Posts: 276 Joined: 1/3/2006 Status: offline Thank you, Jason. I did found about half of pipes in the same place, some of them at a inch under surface. Once I found one I tried for more in the same area, sometimes with luck, sometimes without. Anyway I will visit that place again at a later date. (in reply to Mihai) Post #: 5

RE: Newsletter from London - 1/15/2006 2:20:35 PM    capsoda Posts: 7866 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Hey Mihai, Those stoppers date tothe late 1870s until after 1900. They were in vented in 1861 by S.A. Whitney of Glasborough, New Jersey but never gained popularity in the U>S> like they did in England. They were the Codds major rival. Someone on this fourm was looking to purchase some of those and if you find enough of them I would be interested too. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to Mihai) Post #: 6

RE: Newsletter from London - 1/15/2006 2:26:05 PM    Mihai   Posts: 276 Joined: 1/3/2006 Status: offline I could try to find some more but is like saying I'm trying to win the lottery this weekend. But is good to know that people are interested in these. How much would you say they worth? (in reply to Mihai) Post #: 7

RE: Newsletter from London - 1/15/2006 3:24:53 PM    capsoda Posts: 7866 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline I don't know, I've never bought on or seen one sold. I have seen bottles sell with them ,from a few $ to big bucks but it usually depends on how rare the bottle is not the stopper. I am sure someone will be able to give use an idea of there worth. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to Mihai) Post #: 8

RE: Newsletter from London - 1/15/2006 3:37:24 PM    Mihai   Posts: 276 Joined: 1/3/2006 Status: offline Warren, to be honest I wouldn't like to sell the stoppers. I don't think they value a fortune but I understand that one of them will complete a nice bottle. Now I'm at my very begining in colecting bottles and the few bucks that I could fetch for them will not worth. But maybe we can arrange an exchange. These stoppers could worth more for you then some bottles that you have in your colection. What do you think about this? (in reply to Mihai) Post #: 9

RE: Newsletter from London - 1/15/2006 3:46:15 PM    capsoda Posts: 7866 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Sounds good to me. My wife laughs at me about my trading habit, I'd much rather trade than buy or sell any day. What you looking for from Dixie. Send me a PM or email. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to Mihai) Post #: 10

RE: Newsletter from London - 1/15/2006 7:00:14 PM    IRISH   Posts: 1238 Joined: 11/23/2002 From: cockatoo Australia Status: offline There where several English internal thread patents from the 1870's on, there are probably thousands of different bottles that used those stoppers from Australia, the UK, New Zealand and where ever else they where used. No value in the stoppers unless its a rare one someone wants to complete a bottle, even then you won't get much for it. You have a good chance of getting a complete bottle or ten to take those stoppers. Nice haul of pipes BTW, some of those look fairly early. (in reply to Mihai) Post #: 11

RE: Newsletter from London - 1/16/2006 1:14:21 AM    Mihai   Posts: 276 Joined: 1/3/2006 Status: offline Thank you for reply. Any ideas about the lid? I put another photo of it, maybe rings a bell. Attachment (1) (in reply to Mihai) Post #: 12

RE: Newsletter from London - 1/16/2006 1:18:56 AM    Mihai   Posts: 276 Joined: 1/3/2006 Status: offline About the pipes I know, like a thumb rule, the smaller the pipe, the older it is, as the tabaco was quite expensive in early days and was dificult to fill a big one without braking the piggy bank. (in reply to Mihai) Post #: 13

RE: Newsletter from London - 1/18/2006 12:24:24 AM    southern Maine diver Posts: 1436 Joined: 8/13/2005 From: South Berwick, Maine USA Status: offline Hey Mihai... You're right about the pipe rule... The smaller the "Bowl" the earlier the pipe. And it was, as you said, because of how expensive tobaco was in earlier times. As the tobaco smoking and snorting (snuff) caught on, larger crops were grown especially after America was discovered and new colonies were established in the south. Then, tobaco was more available, more affordable, more widely used by lower classes of the population and larger bowls and pipes evolved to supply the demand because of the increase in popularity (and addiction). Also, the earlier pipe stems had smaller inside diameters... they were more narrow and the angle of the bowl was different. The newer pipes had an angle of close to 90 degrees and the earlier pipes had less of an angle. I'll have to look up some of the publications, but and underwater archeologist, Bob Marx, wrote a lot about pipes, stems and how they helped him establish and correlate the dating of shipwrecks. You can find some info about this topic on the internet by looking up colonial artifacts or clay pipes. Wayne < Message edited by southern Maine diver -- 1/18/2006 12:28:27 AM > (in reply to Mihai) Post #: 14

RE: Newsletter from London - 1/18/2006 2:39:28 PM    southern Maine diver Posts: 1436 Joined: 8/13/2005 From: South Berwick, Maine USA Status: offline Hey Mihai... I forgot to add... if you found a lot of those pipes in one place, I would definitely dig deeper and spread your search out a little wider for more "stuff". Are you wading into the water with hip boots or are you still walking along the shore? Wayne (in reply to Mihai) Post #: 15

RE: Newsletter from London - 1/18/2006 3:24:54 PM    Mihai   Posts: 276 Joined: 1/3/2006 Status: offline Hi, Wayne Thank you for the info. I checked for that guy you told me about, Bob Marx, and I have to say WOW! He certenly lived his life. Not the most modest guy around but who can blame him? With so many ships and treasures and antiques found I'm ashamed I didn't know about him until now. It's like discovering Jaques Ives Cousteau at 32... I have a picture that make dating the clay pipes an easy task. It's the one attached. Last time I've been in Thames, that was Sunday, I put on my wellingtons and this gave me freedom to go a bit into the water. I dug a little around the area with the pipes but not with spectacular results. I was there with my wife and my dog, the whether was OK but still my parteners gave signals of being cold and bored so I wasn't able to stay too long in one place. But this Sunday I booked myself a treat, to go there with my brothers-in-law. This way my dear wife will have somebody else to ask "Are we done yet?" and hopefully I have more time for searching. (in reply to Mihai) Post #: 16

RE: Newsletter from London - 1/18/2006 3:25:58 PM    Mihai   Posts: 276 Joined: 1/3/2006 Status: offline Sorry, I forgot the picture. Attachment (1) (in reply to Mihai) Post #: 17

RE: Newsletter from London - 1/18/2006 5:21:44 PM    capsoda Posts: 7866 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline We don't find many pipes around my area, afew stems and really used up bowls. By the time tobacco got cheap enough to be plentiful southerners had become quit adept at making pipes that lasted or could be easily be replaced. Five cent was a lot of money to spend on a pipe. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to Mihai) Post #: 18

RE: Newsletter from London - 1/19/2006 6:42:44 AM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline Hi, I was the one with the "wanted" post. I'd have to agree with some of the others though. I was hoping someone might have a bunch. If you only have the 2, keep 'em. If there glass, keep 'em too. If you run ito a mother load though, keep me in mind for some, I just think there more appropriate to keep the dust out than the corks I use. Thanks _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric If you love what your doing it might be illegal, so watch your back. (in reply to Mihai) Post #: 19

RE: Newsletter from London - 1/19/2006 12:02:49 PM    Mihai   Posts: 276 Joined: 1/3/2006 Status: offline Hi, Eric I'll tell you if I'll find some more. I understand you don't mind the embossings doesn't match. I found your request for stoppers before but for only two it's not worth the post charges. Take care! (in reply to Mihai) Post #: 20

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