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Odd little bottle.. - 3/25/2011 12:06:34 PM    bostaurus Posts: 2299 Joined: 2/17/2009 From: Madison, Wisconsin Status: offline This just arrived today. It is not quite 3 1/2 inches tall. Quite heavy for its size. It has no seam lines and was described as free blown though it seems a bit perfect for that. There are tooling marks starting about 1/4 inch before the start of the neck. The lip appears to have been folded in and then formed with some lipping tool. It is pontiled. Anyone seen this before? There are just some things that nag me about it: it has a lot of wear on the bottom and on the sides but from the tooling marks on the neck and up it is perfect, the overall shape is so symmetrical, the lip seems odd. There are a lot of bottles out there I have never seen so this may be kosher. I sure there is someone out there on the forum that will have some idea about this bottle. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Always looking for veterinary bottles, American and foreign. Post #: 1

RE: Odd little bottle.. - 3/25/2011 12:07:09 PM    bostaurus Posts: 2299 Joined: 2/17/2009 From: Madison, Wisconsin Status: offline This may be a bit clearer. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Always looking for veterinary bottles, American and foreign. (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 2

RE: Odd little bottle.. - 3/25/2011 12:07:44 PM    bostaurus Posts: 2299 Joined: 2/17/2009 From: Madison, Wisconsin Status: offline Bottom Attachment (1) _____________________________ Always looking for veterinary bottles, American and foreign. (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 3

RE: Odd little bottle.. - 3/26/2011 9:25:44 AM    Bottles r LEET   Posts: 984 Joined: 2/12/2011 From: Plainfield, New Hampshire Status: offline Not positive, but it looks a bit like a fire grenade. _____________________________ Ryan MacLeay Looking for 'Vehicles in the Bush' pictures. http://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/Old-Truck/m-476657/tm.htm Also looking for Abandoned House pictures. http://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/Abandoned-House/m-495368/tm.htm (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 4

RE: Odd little bottle.. - 3/26/2011 9:40:07 AM    RED Matthews Posts: 2394 Joined: 8/2/2008 Status: online Nice bottle bostaurus;   I would have to have it in hand but I think it looks like it was generated as a half post gather and a second dip for glass.  Then it looks like the ball form was made in a wet wooden block tool.  Then it was empontilled and the neck tooled.   The pontil mark seems strange but I assume it was done with a hot metal punty rod.  Sorry, I can't tell you more about it.  You didn't give the diameter or height.  RED Matthews _____________________________ http://www.bottlemysteries.com/welcome/ (in reply to Bottles r LEET) Post #: 5

RE: Odd little bottle.. - 3/26/2011 10:41:24 AM    blobbottlebob Posts: 3661 Joined: 12/20/2005 From: Wisconsin Status: offline Pretty cool Melinda, I hope it turns out to be authentic. It doesn't seem right to me as a target ball or fire grenade (but then again, I'm no expert). The rim is all wrong. The top - blob area - looks like it would appear on a soda bottle - a gravitational example or maybe even an Hutchinson soda. However, they weren't typically using pontils at the time those bottles were made. Maybe it was an early mineral water - but again - something doesn't feel right about it. Maybe your observation that it was too perfect fits. Was it tumbled? It looks very glossy. Plus, I agree with Red that the pontil is a bit different than you usually see. My guess is that it was made in Mexico in modern times as a collectible artistic version of an antique bottle. I sure hope I'm wrong. (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 6

RE: Odd little bottle.. - 3/26/2011 11:40:22 AM    bostaurus Posts: 2299 Joined: 2/17/2009 From: Madison, Wisconsin Status: offline Yeah, I just have no clue. I got it from a guy in England. I really just need to put it in the hands of someone that has handled more glass than me. _____________________________ Always looking for veterinary bottles, American and foreign. (in reply to blobbottlebob) Post #: 7

RE: Odd little bottle.. - 3/26/2011 12:00:14 PM    Steve/sewell Posts: 4295 Joined: 1/23/2010 Status: offline Melinda maybe thhis type of Blob top was earlier in England.It does not really look like the traditional blob top seen on American made sodas and beers.The bottle does look to be double gathered in a half post fashion.The wear on the bottom seems normal for an old bottle not ground down with an air gun tool or an electrical one.Just for comparison sake here is a beer barrel whiskey bottle which looks like a sachems bitters but has a semi blob top like yours and it has an iron pontil mark.This barrel bottle looks to be late 1860 to the mid1870s.The main purpose of the second gather in half post bottles was for strength in the glass for intended heavy use or durability. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Auf Wiedersehen (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 8

RE: Odd little bottle.. - 3/26/2011 12:05:07 PM    Steve/sewell Posts: 4295 Joined: 1/23/2010 Status: offline 2. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Auf Wiedersehen (in reply to Steve/sewell) Post #: 9

RE: Odd little bottle.. - 3/26/2011 12:05:41 PM    Steve/sewell Posts: 4295 Joined: 1/23/2010 Status: offline 3. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Auf Wiedersehen (in reply to Steve/sewell) Post #: 10

RE: Odd little bottle.. - 3/26/2011 12:09:41 PM    Steve/sewell Posts: 4295 Joined: 1/23/2010 Status: offline Melinda I would be willing to bet that the bottle is late 1830s to the 1850s.It is not a reproduction.Maybe you can send forum memebers deepbluedigger and earlyglasscollector a private message as both are from Great Britain and are very knowledgable in early British glass. _____________________________ Auf Wiedersehen (in reply to Steve/sewell) Post #: 11

RE: Odd little bottle.. - 3/26/2011 1:12:14 PM    bostaurus Posts: 2299 Joined: 2/17/2009 From: Madison, Wisconsin Status: offline I will have to do that..when I get the chance. My son and 5 of his college friends are stopping here for the night on their way back to school. Doing a lot of cooking. I may just have to send the bottle to you to look at in person. Sometimes you just have to have it in your hands. It is a confusing little bottle. _____________________________ Always looking for veterinary bottles, American and foreign. (in reply to Steve/sewell) Post #: 12

RE: Odd little bottle.. - 3/26/2011 1:22:46 PM    blobbottlebob Posts: 3661 Joined: 12/20/2005 From: Wisconsin Status: offline Steve, You may be right. Its defintely worth checking with them English types. When I look at your barrel, though, I see a ton of crudeness on that blob consistant with its age. Melinda's bottle has a very clean, smooth, even blob without much whittle and there are no markings where the blob is connected to the neck (whereas yours has that crazy attached blob goop stuff). (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 13

RE: Odd little bottle.. - 3/26/2011 1:43:53 PM    bostaurus Posts: 2299 Joined: 2/17/2009 From: Madison, Wisconsin Status: offline That is one of the odd things and why I said it seems the lip was folded in and then tooled. It is perfectly smooth on the outside where the lip begins on the neck but a definite glass edge on the inside. Hard to describe. Bob you just need to be closer to Madison so you could take a look at it! < Message edited by bostaurus -- 3/26/2011 1:45:03 PM > _____________________________ Always looking for veterinary bottles, American and foreign. (in reply to blobbottlebob) Post #: 14

RE: Odd little bottle.. - 3/26/2011 3:48:22 PM    mtfdfire22   Posts: 389 Joined: 2/7/2011 From: munger MI Status: offline that bottle looks so glossy because (chance are) it was rubbed down with oil or coated with something. the wear on the bottom tells us all it is old. the only funny thing is that pontil. if that is a dimple in the middle then i give up because ive never seen a real open/glass pontil with a dimple and its far too clean to be an iron pontil. it is not a target ball, or a fire grenade. fire grenades are typically 6+ inches tall while target balls are a much more crude design because they were blown so quickly and in great quantities, not to mention they were tiny and the blob top on that bottle would have thrown off the flight pattern because it would be very unbalanced. my personal opinion is it is an old bottle but what it was used for remains a mystery. _____________________________ intrested in buying: mungers sarsaparilla, matthew's patents, budweiser bottles, bay city mi bottles and saginaw bottles. (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 15

RE: Odd little bottle.. - 3/26/2011 8:26:21 PM    bostaurus Posts: 2299 Joined: 2/17/2009 From: Madison, Wisconsin Status: offline I am not sure of the purpose of that little dimple but I have seen them on other European bottles. I think I have another around here with that mark..I will try to find it. _____________________________ Always looking for veterinary bottles, American and foreign. (in reply to mtfdfire22) Post #: 16

RE: Odd little bottle.. - 3/26/2011 9:08:54 PM    JOETHECROW Posts: 9807 Joined: 9/3/2005 From: Northwestern Pa. (Near scenic Lake Perfidy) Status: offline Melinda,...Here's a real similar version from our town,...smooth based though. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Joe ``````````````````````````````````` In the woods we return to reason and faith. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooTyuRd9zSg&feature=related (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 17

RE: Odd little bottle.. - 3/26/2011 9:11:28 PM    JOETHECROW Posts: 9807 Joined: 9/3/2005 From: Northwestern Pa. (Near scenic Lake Perfidy) Status: offline "S. (Solomon) ORANGE / 18 CONGRESS ST./ BRADFORD PA." They contained horseradish. Attachment (1) < Message edited by JOETHECROW -- 3/26/2011 9:13:04 PM > _____________________________ Joe ``````````````````````````````````` In the woods we return to reason and faith. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooTyuRd9zSg&feature=related (in reply to JOETHECROW) Post #: 18

RE: Odd little bottle.. - 3/26/2011 9:21:32 PM    bostaurus Posts: 2299 Joined: 2/17/2009 From: Madison, Wisconsin Status: offline That seems an odd shape for horseradish. it would be hard to get everything out of the bottle. I guess I am going to have to post this on the British site. How's that drug store dig going? Look forward to more posts. _____________________________ Always looking for veterinary bottles, American and foreign. (in reply to JOETHECROW) Post #: 19

RE: Odd little bottle.. - 3/26/2011 9:34:53 PM    JOETHECROW Posts: 9807 Joined: 9/3/2005 From: Northwestern Pa. (Near scenic Lake Perfidy) Status: offline Melinda,...we were back under there today,...Got a deep cut on the right index finger and a few interesting items..I'm having a late dinner then I'll post. P.S. As an interesting aside, I think old Solomon Orange was struck and killed by the first motor car in Bradford. _____________________________ Joe ``````````````````````````````````` In the woods we return to reason and faith. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooTyuRd9zSg&feature=related (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 20

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