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Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 11/18/2006 1:32:09 AM    carling Posts: 638 Joined: 9/30/2006 From: Cleveland, Ohio Status: offline Hello All, Found this little half pint Cleveland milk bottle today under an attic floorboard in Cleveland. Anyone out there have the Ohio Bottle Book?  Is it listed?   and can you tell me what it says about it? In case my photo isn't clear, it says The Soeder's Sons Co. Thanks! Rick Attachment (1) Post #: 1

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 11/18/2006 4:28:13 PM    DiggerBryan   Posts: 893 Joined: 12/3/2004 From: Ohio Status: offline I wish all my milk bottles were "attic mint." Very nice! I looked up the bottle in my ohio bottle book and it's listed at $8-10. _____________________________ Life is easy with your eyes closed. (in reply to carling) Post #: 2

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 11/18/2006 5:02:10 PM    carling Posts: 638 Joined: 9/30/2006 From: Cleveland, Ohio Status: offline Thanks for the info Bryan.  I was curious to see if it was listed. I really don't trust the price values assigned to that book.  I would like to know how the author determined his assigned values.  I met the author at a local bottle show, peddling his milk bottles and his book.  I showed him an embossed Cleveland milk bottle he never saw before, from a dairy he wasn't aware of and knew nothing about, and it wasn't listed in his book.  When I asked him what value he would give it, he said about $10.  Pretty low considering he is an expert on Ohio milk bottles, and that bottle is the only one known to exist, as far as I or he knows .  (in reply to carling) Post #: 3

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 11/18/2006 7:52:43 PM    appliedlips Posts: 3508 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline    Rick,   You are right about the prices in the Ohio Bottle book.They mean absolutely NOTHING.They are old and outdated.The author of the book collected sodas,however.I have found that the Cleveland and Northern Ohio information alot more accurate than the rest of the state.While alot of good bottles are underpriced alot of commons are overpriced.Tons of milks are listed for $ 15+ that I would sell all day for half that.As far as that milk is concerned I doubt it's worth $10.It don't have a town name and comes from a large city.Most Cleveland clear druggists,milks,hutches,are fairly common and don't sell for much.I will sell hutches from Cleveland for the price in that book all day long.Still a nice find,keep looking under the boards,in the walls,etc..Take care,Doug (in reply to carling) Post #: 4

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 11/18/2006 8:27:50 PM    DiggerBryan   Posts: 893 Joined: 12/3/2004 From: Ohio Status: offline Actually, the prices for the milks were updated in 2005 which is where I got the price for the Cleveland milk. The sodas, meds, and other stuff was updated in 1999. So I wouldn't consider them totally off or mean nothing. I do agree though that some of the prices are off by little or a lot depending on what the bottle is but for the most part they are fairly accurate. There are certain areas in Ohio that the author is unfamiliar with especially the smaller towns so I believe what he did was try to give a ball park figure of what he thought it was worth, based on his years of collecting. Like appliedlips said Cleveland is a big city and from my experience their really aren't a whole lot of milk bottle collectors for the Cleveland area. Again like appliedlips said since it doesn't have a town, state that does take away from the value. < Message edited by DiggerBryan -- 11/18/2006 8:29:20 PM > _____________________________ Life is easy with your eyes closed. (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 5

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 11/20/2006 10:08:13 PM    carling Posts: 638 Joined: 9/30/2006 From: Cleveland, Ohio Status: offline Bryan and Doug, Thanks again for your great input.  I agree with you on the area Cleveland prices.   They are low.  I have found many Cleveland milk bottles, none that are very valuable, and I don't know of any collectors who are looking for them.  A neat story, ....I found a circa 1930's embossed Kysilka Dairy quart milk bottle from Cleveland, under the bricked off front porch of a house.  I put it on e-bay and sold it to some guy for about $15 who bought it for his coworker whose maiden name was Kysilka.  She ended up e-mailing me stating she and her family had always been looking, but were never able to find any old items from the Kysilka Dairy, as it was her Great Grandfathers dairy, and she was thankful for this bottle.  Well, I told her there were a lot more milk bottles preserved under that porch, and probably some more Kysilka.  She told me she would buy any more I could find and would give them to her sisters and relatives.  I went back and got her maybe 12 more Kysilka bottles (this was awhile ago, hard to remember).   I cleaned them and gave them all to her for free since they meant so much to her and her family.  A sappy story, I know......  She did pay for the postage. Later guys!   Rick (in reply to DiggerBryan) Post #: 6

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 11/23/2006 12:30:30 PM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2238 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline I have studied the ohio milk bottle book and talked to the author of the prices several times. Yes one author for every price! Atfirst I thought it was the ultimate cheater book but really he just didn't know all the rare bottles. The only thing it's good for is when you find one that is listed as incomplete or not listed at all. Then you know you have a good bottle. I know of one bottle in particular from my area that you can't touch for less than $300 and it's listed for 10-15 in that book. Then there are the bottles listed in some sort of code. They will be priced $16-$22 or $18-26. I have figured out that it is a good reference book not a price guide. One good thing about the book is, that even the smallest variations are listed, on bottles that are known of. By the way I know Don Dzuro wrote the book, I believe, but he didn't price the bottles in it. Thought I'd state that for the record. Also, your bottle is an early one I think. I believe most of the ccs-w bottles are earlier from what I've seen. One other thing. The Cleveland Bottle Market sucks. I have had some very good milks from around Cleveland and haven't done very well with them. _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to carling) Post #: 7

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 11/23/2006 12:36:23 PM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2238 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline what was the bottle that you showed him? and he's not really up on milks from cleveland I don't believe. He's a nice guy but the book is just a guide. I try to make it a point to take atleast 2-3 new unlisted milks to every Ohio show. I do know a guy from up in that area that can give me a good idea of how scarce your bottles are. He's from around Lorain Ohio and has been collecting milks for 30 yrs or better. _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to zanes_antiques) Post #: 8

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 11/23/2006 2:53:10 PM    DiggerBryan   Posts: 893 Joined: 12/3/2004 From: Ohio Status: offline I agree, a guide for sure. There is a local milk from my area that goes for 350+ and it's listed for $15-20 in the 2005 edition but incomplete in 1999. Don Dzuro came  up for the prices for the 1999 edition and a guy named Parker Higby did the updated prices in 2005. I was reading through the first few pages of the 1999 book and it stated, "Prices are meant to be a guide and may vary depending on many controlling factors. Supply and demand beingthe greatest." _____________________________ Life is easy with your eyes closed. (in reply to zanes_antiques) Post #: 9

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 11/24/2006 12:41:18 AM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2238 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline Bryan, I was speaking with Parker Higby at the Columbus bottle show and noticed he had a very rare bottle from my area on his table. It was marked $50 and he said everything on the table was half price. Just as I pick the bottle up he informed me that another guy had it put aside and was picking out more bottles to go with it for a better price. I knew the guy who wanted it and told him if he didn't pay him for the bottle right then I was gonna give him his asking price of 50 for it. The thing is that he had that bottle listed in the book for 25-40 dollars but I know of one that sold at auction for $500+. Some of them though are coded so that if you're smart you'll pick up on it. I took the ohio book and another local book and made up my own local Ohio Valley Milk Bottle book. More listings and a better idea of values in mine. I used a five star system to determine the value range. By the way Bryan have you ever heard of "Shoop Bros. Dairy" form McComb, Ohio. I think it's from up that way where you're from. _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to DiggerBryan) Post #: 10

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 11/24/2006 7:28:07 PM    DiggerBryan   Posts: 893 Joined: 12/3/2004 From: Ohio Status: offline I agree they that the prices are coded. Keep an eye out for ones that read $15-20. If you look at ones that are $15-20 in the 2005 book and then look them up in the 1999 book almost all of them are incomplete. Did you end up getting the bottle or did the other guy get it? That is a good idea with the book you made. That is what they should have done for the Ohio bottle club book. All the milk bottle collectors should have gotten together and priced the bottles in their county and maybe some surrounding counties. If that makes sense. The Shoop Bros. sounds really familiar. I might have seen one on ebay at one time or at a bottle show or something. I can't remember but why do you ask? _____________________________ Life is easy with your eyes closed. (in reply to zanes_antiques) Post #: 11

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 11/26/2006 6:55:26 PM    JGUIS   Posts: 1931 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline Is the book listed by county, city, or dairy?  I never have nailed down a number on how many dairies in Perry county actually had a marked bottle.  I do know that there were a few close by that delivered milk, but used plain bottles.  I also found out that the Wiseman Dairy in Crooksville turned in ALL of their glass bottles for recycling.  So that's a small change in thinking about those bottles, but I also found out that they tried an amber bottle for a small period.  The customers complained, so they took them off the routes and discontinued their use.  I've never seen one, and I haven't found anyone who knows about them.  That info all came from a family member of the owners.  I definately think a better approach to creating a value guide would be taking surveys from real collectors around the state to find out what's really out there, and what true values should be attributed.  Just my 2 cents. _____________________________ Problems are not solved by the same level of thinking that created them. (in reply to DiggerBryan) Post #: 12

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/8/2006 8:43:05 PM    carling Posts: 638 Joined: 9/30/2006 From: Cleveland, Ohio Status: offline You guys are full of good information. Zane, sorry it took so long to check this posting, but you asked what milk bottle I found that wasn't in the Ohio Milk Bottle book.  Below should be a photo.  It is a pint bottle from the Telling-Ott Dairy Co.   The bottle book lists a Telling-Belle Vernon Dairy, and an Ott Dairy in Cleveland, but not a Telling-Ott Dairy.  Rick Attachment (1) < Message edited by carling -- 12/8/2006 8:45:15 PM > (in reply to JGUIS) Post #: 13

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/9/2006 12:01:56 AM    appliedlips Posts: 3508 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline  Josh,       Wiseman didn't turn all the bottles in as they are fairly common.I have seen quite a few of their bottles around.Usually not too high priced.Zane,I like what you said about a star system according to rarity.To try to place a value on bottles of local interest with no national appeal (MILKS) is stupid.One new collector can double the value overnight,and one collector getting out of the hobby can kill the price at auction.As far as I am concerned to say any clear embossed Ohio milk is a $300+ just isn't a fair statement.If 3 or 4 turned up tommorrow they would be $100 bottles.Not true with bitters,flask,and good old bottles.If I dig 4 Kelly's cabin bitter's in the morning I will get $1800+ out of all of them without effecting the market.Therefore a price guide is possible on these types of bottles.In other words if anyone is doing buying and selling based on the Ohio bottle book's prices,bring a bunch of nice bottles and come over to my house.Enough of my soapbox,need to get some rest before chopping at someone's icy yard in the morning.Take care,Doug (in reply to carling) Post #: 14

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/11/2006 10:37:49 AM    Yooper14 Posts: 313 Joined: 4/25/2005 From: Ohio Status: offline Wow!  What a great thread.  I'm relatively new to the Milk Bottle Market, and don't have this book.  I'm wondering, for those of you that have it, if there is a Mt Vernon College or Mt Vernon Academy Milk listed.  I have been digging a couple of them, and have had them go for over $300 on ebay.  I really like the idea of getting all the collectors together to determine value.  This would be a very accurate guide! Yooper _____________________________ "Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history that man can never learn anything from history." - Shaw Yooper (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 15

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/11/2006 11:45:24 AM    DiggerBryan   Posts: 893 Joined: 12/3/2004 From: Ohio Status: offline Hey Yoop, neither of those milks are listed in the book. I believe you are the only source for those bottles. _____________________________ Life is easy with your eyes closed. (in reply to Yooper14) Post #: 16

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/11/2006 12:08:17 PM    Yooper14 Posts: 313 Joined: 4/25/2005 From: Ohio Status: offline I think you're right.  I've met one other person who had a Mt Vernon Academy bottle, but he was arrested recently for tresspassing and theft.... _____________________________ "Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history that man can never learn anything from history." - Shaw Yooper (in reply to DiggerBryan) Post #: 17

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/11/2006 10:49:23 PM    DiggerBryan   Posts: 893 Joined: 12/3/2004 From: Ohio Status: offline haha surprise, surprise. _____________________________ Life is easy with your eyes closed. (in reply to Yooper14) Post #: 18

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/11/2006 11:49:34 PM    JGUIS   Posts: 1931 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline I know Wiseman's are considered common, and alot of their bottles went to dumps and all over.  But all of Wiseman's in stock, and discontinued bottles were turned in for glass drives, and money, during operation and upon closing.  They never had a dump that they dumped their bottles in, so there's not a large cache of them hiding somewhere.  They also don't list variations of these bottles(and there are some), and the same goes for Clouse & Snider.  Is there a listing for an amber Wiseman Qt and Pt?  Cause they had them, I don't have one, but according to a delivery man of thirty years.  They changed their bottles to amber, and people were really upset because they couldn't see the true color of the milk.  It only lasted for a couple months and he switched back to clear. _____________________________ Problems are not solved by the same level of thinking that created them. (in reply to DiggerBryan) Post #: 19

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/12/2006 11:54:57 AM    JGUIS   Posts: 1931 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline I found an embossed 1/2 pint milk the other day that is kinda rare.  Kesselring Dairy from Akron.  But the top lip is broken off, almost flat.  Anyone who wants it for an example can have it for shipping.  I'll try to get a pic up later. _____________________________ Problems are not solved by the same level of thinking that created them. (in reply to JGUIS) Post #: 20

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