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Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/23/2008 2:09:06 PM    druggistnut Posts: 307 Joined: 1/7/2006 Status: offline This was dug in a pit with a mix of glass in it (pontilled & not) and I've never seen one before. I HAVE seen the clear J. Annear mustard or horseradish style bottle, embossed New York. You know the one- it looks like a fish w/ a Chevy bowtie on it. Betty Zumwalt's book lists two other bottles of his  (both extremely rare?), but no mention of this one. I'm assuming that since it is embossed with "&Co," that it is from the period he had a partner. This is also 8 1/2" tall. Any help as far as rarity, etc, would be appreciated. Thanks, Bill Attachment (1) Post #: 1

RE: Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/23/2008 2:10:10 PM    druggistnut Posts: 307 Joined: 1/7/2006 Status: offline pic 2 Attachment (1) (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 2

RE: Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/23/2008 2:11:04 PM    druggistnut Posts: 307 Joined: 1/7/2006 Status: offline pic 3 Attachment (1) (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 3

RE: Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/23/2008 2:11:53 PM    druggistnut Posts: 307 Joined: 1/7/2006 Status: offline pic 4 Attachment (1) (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 4

RE: Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/23/2008 2:12:44 PM    druggistnut Posts: 307 Joined: 1/7/2006 Status: offline and the last one Attachment (1) (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 5

RE: Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/23/2008 3:31:49 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4737 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline quote: J. Annear John Annear exhibited the product at the 1876 Centennial Expo. I guess it was easy since he was located in Philly already. He also won an award for shoe blacking and stove polish. An odd combination of products. Dont know how rare it is. I have never seen one before. < Message edited by GuntherHess -- 6/23/2008 3:33:15 PM > _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 6

RE: Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/23/2008 5:28:55 PM    KentOhio   Posts: 688 Joined: 9/13/2004 Status: offline It has to be a Worchestershire sauce bottle. It looks just like a Lea & Perrins. (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 7

RE: Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/23/2008 6:20:25 PM    bombboy Posts: 42 Joined: 3/2/2008 From: Upstate NY Status: offline Whatever it may be, those are some nice pics, bottles nice too. Bombboy (in reply to KentOhio) Post #: 8

RE: Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/24/2008 12:44:53 AM    Penn Digger   Posts: 152 Joined: 5/12/2008 From: N Penn Status: offline Interesting bottle.  Are you going to keep it?  Sell??? As it is a crown...age????  I don't think 1800's by the pics.  Nice bottle though, never seen one.  I love the PENNSYLVANIA embossing. P D (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 9

RE: Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/24/2008 7:33:03 PM    appliedlips Posts: 1523 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline      Nice bottle Bill.Definately a Worcestershire sauce.I have seen alot of Lea & Perrin's copies but not that one.I would say around 1870,most seem to be from that time period. _____________________________ When life drops a big dump on ya, DIG IT! (in reply to Penn Digger) Post #: 10

RE: Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/24/2008 9:15:23 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4737 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Is that a tooled lip I am seeing, hard to tell from the photo? Since the product was exhibited at the Centennial, it was around in 1876 (of course not nessisarily in that container). I would call that lip style a double ring with collar, a fairly unique style mostly found on sauce bottles. Not a crown top (pat in 1892).  < Message edited by GuntherHess -- 6/24/2008 9:21:01 PM > _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 11

RE: Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/24/2008 9:28:56 PM    downeastdigger Posts: 1133 Joined: 8/22/2005 From: Crawling through the mud and briars of Eliot Maine Status: offline Wow, that is a cool one! I have a "side collection" of sauce bottle that are in that exact shape and form, but with different embossings. They all have embossing around the shoulder, and then one stripe down the body. The ones I have are 1. the common Lea & Perrins 2.  Folkins Table Sauce 3. Horton & Cato Royal Worcestershire Sauce 4. Holbrook Worcestershire Sauce 5. E. Prichard & Co 6. Goodall Backhouse Yorkshire Relish 7. Piccadilly Sauce Co. 8. Joshua Longfield North of London Sauce 9. Halford Leicestershire Sauce That Pennsylvania one would look good on the shelf  :) _____________________________ Bram Get busy diggin, or get busy dyin' http://www.GreatBayCatering.com cool YouTube song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd34vJohGXc (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 12

RE: Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/25/2008 2:07:20 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4737 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline I was reading some early correspondance where Lea & Perrins was complaining about Heinz Worcestershire sauce, they said if it was so great why didnt they call it Pennsylvania Sauce? I thought that was pretty funny but I guess they couldnt really because Pennsylvania Sause was already trademarked. Not that they would have changed from that iconic name. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to downeastdigger) Post #: 13

RE: Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/26/2008 3:33:40 PM    druggistnut Posts: 307 Joined: 1/7/2006 Status: offline Hey Fellas, Thanks for all the excellent input. I'm attaching a few more photos, which will help answer some of your questions. I also included a L&P closeup, so the difference is plainly visable. This bottle has the funneling effect in the neck, to grab the corked stopper, a good 1/2" down the throat, which the L&P also has. Kent- You can see the similarities and differences now, right? Doug- I'm leaning towards 1870's, also. Bram- Do you have the quart "jumbo" L&P? I have one for you, with stopper, if wanted. Tom-- (and Bram) I'd really prefer to trade for any Michigan bottles, or one of my ancestors bottles I don't have, BUT, I'm open to ideas. Should I put it on the site auction? Matt-- Yes, as you can see a bit better now, it's a tooled/finished top. It's really easy to pick it out on the collar and the uneven lip top, but, let me ask you this. Does it appear to you that at least the one ring might have been applied/laid on? I agree, it's definitely not a crown top. Yes, I read the info on the stove blacking/shoe polish, and it also stated that he was advertising as a "collector." Zumwalt theorized/mused on that, as well. What WAS a collector, at that point in time? Did he have kids getting glass for him? Mark--Thanks for the kudo on the pics. I really need to get my light box working, but I kind of have the window thing down, now. I just have to remember to move the screen, which you can see in the last pics. Bill Attachment (1) (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 14

RE: Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/26/2008 3:35:20 PM    druggistnut Posts: 307 Joined: 1/7/2006 Status: offline 2 Attachment (1) (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 15

RE: Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/26/2008 3:36:24 PM    druggistnut Posts: 307 Joined: 1/7/2006 Status: offline 3 Attachment (1) (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 16

RE: Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/26/2008 3:37:22 PM    druggistnut Posts: 307 Joined: 1/7/2006 Status: offline 4 Attachment (1) (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 17

RE: Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/26/2008 3:38:31 PM    druggistnut Posts: 307 Joined: 1/7/2006 Status: offline typical L&P Attachment (1) (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 18

RE: Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/26/2008 3:40:01 PM    druggistnut Posts: 307 Joined: 1/7/2006 Status: offline bottles have many similarities, except for the tops. Attachment (1) (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 19

RE: Pennsylvania Sauce - 6/26/2008 5:04:02 PM    glass man Posts: 1017 Joined: 1/30/2008 From: GEORGIA Status: offline WAS LEA AND PERRIN 1ST with this type bottle or did they copy WHO? _____________________________ Stand there's a midget standing tall and a giant beside him about to fall. Stand ..they will try to make you crawl and they know what you're saying makes sense and all.Stand don't you know you are free, Well at least in your mind if you wan to be. SLY (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 20

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