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Picked up a cool pot lid today at the Baltimore Bottle ... - 3/7/2010 10:08:29 PM    andy g   Posts: 54 Joined: 8/27/2003 From: Washington, DC & Sing Sing, NY Status: offline and wanted (1) to confirm that it is American, (2) to get a sense of rarity, and (3) to learn its rough date frame.  I have some ideas and suspicions but wanted to inquire of the experts out there. Thanks, andy g Attachment (1) Post #: 1

RE: Picked up a cool pot lid today at the Baltimore Bot... - 3/7/2010 10:15:01 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 11468 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Dont really know much about your lid. I did read that Samuel Horn's Lowell Soap factory burned down in 1874 so its earlier than that...but I think you already knew that _____________________________ FREE Online Medicine Guide - http://www.antiquemedicines.com/MedicineNexus/Nexus.htm Web Site - http://antiquemedicines.com Email : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to andy g) Post #: 2

RE: Picked up a cool pot lid today at the Baltimore Bot... - 3/8/2010 2:04:15 AM    Gidday Posts: 166 Joined: 7/3/2004 Status: offline I believe these are an unpublished American lid from Boston. Comes in a couple of variations. Not rare but a very different design from most in the region. How was this years show? Made the the last 3 but unfortunately not 2010. (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 3

RE: Picked up a cool pot lid today at the Baltimore Bot... - 3/8/2010 2:36:38 AM    TROG   Posts: 517 Joined: 9/27/2004 From: South Australia Status: offline Hi Andy, Nice lid and quite scarce but they do turn up every so often and probably from around 1865- 70. Most I have heard about have been in the U S or come from there so 99% sure they are American.This is the other variation but not sure which is the earliest. Hope this helps David Attachment (1) _____________________________ AMERICAN POT LIDS WANTED (in reply to Gidday) Post #: 4

RE: Picked up a cool pot lid today at the Baltimore Bot... - 3/8/2010 5:01:21 AM    Gidday Posts: 166 Joined: 7/3/2004 Status: offline As an x-resident, these do turn up in New England. Brimfield or the Little Rhody shows are places I have found them. More recently at the UK winternational, and Ebay AU. Like anything, it's amazing how many there are out there once you start looking for them. These have a particually flat face and maybe closer to 1850. Google used to have a number of Harvard books online that listed the Horne soap businees history in Mas. (in reply to TROG) Post #: 5

RE: Picked up a cool pot lid today at the Baltimore Bot... - 3/8/2010 8:10:18 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 11468 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline The Horn & Allen firm seems to have formed in 1832 I assume its the earlier.... http://books.google.com/books?id=hCgWAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA15&lpg=PA15&dq=%22horn+%26+allen%22+lowell&source=bl&ots=OvxrTR_L0g&sig=WXf4cW7Idfuwby60pHyDQH7ex_s&hl=en&ei=fPWUS7OjMM6M8AaRp5GoBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22horn%20%26%20allen%22%20lowell&f=false _____________________________ FREE Online Medicine Guide - http://www.antiquemedicines.com/MedicineNexus/Nexus.htm Web Site - http://antiquemedicines.com Email : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to Gidday) Post #: 6

RE: Picked up a cool pot lid today at the Baltimore Bot... - 3/10/2010 11:52:36 PM    andy g   Posts: 54 Joined: 8/27/2003 From: Washington, DC & Sing Sing, NY Status: offline Thanks for the responses and the image.  I also dragged out my copy of the Harmer Rooke Galleries auction from 1993 of the Sonny & Barbara Jackson Pot Lid Collection and found one Horn lid (mine and not the example posted by David) under the European section.  But then again the Jacksons did not have the benefit of the internet and Google.  It is evident based upon a little search that this is an American pot lid from Lowell, Massachusetts (located about 35 miles north of Boston) produced by a soap and candle manufacturer named Samuel Horn.  Based upon the information on Google (yes, Matt, I did take a peek but could not find the fire you were referring to), I am guessing that the Horn & Allen partnership ran from 1832 to 1850.  Then Samuel Horn was solo or with his sone thereafter from 1850 onward because Otis Allen turned his attentions to lumber and box making.  Apparently, Samuel Horn enterprise existed into at least the 1880s.  However, I could not find any advertising for Lowell Soap but my success was probably limited because could not find digitized versions of local or Boston papers from that era.  (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 7

RE: Picked up a cool pot lid today at the Baltimore Bot... - 3/11/2010 7:25:58 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 11468 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Here is the 1874 Lowell Courrier notice of the fire. The factory was rebuilt but I dont know if Horn ran it after that point. Attachment (1) _____________________________ FREE Online Medicine Guide - http://www.antiquemedicines.com/MedicineNexus/Nexus.htm Web Site - http://antiquemedicines.com Email : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to andy g) Post #: 8

RE: Picked up a cool pot lid today at the Baltimore Bot... - 3/11/2010 11:46:10 AM    andy g   Posts: 54 Joined: 8/27/2003 From: Washington, DC & Sing Sing, NY Status: offline Matt -- thanks again!  Your newspaper clip gave me an research angle and I found an advertisement from the 1868 Lowell Business Directory.  Now we just need an advertisement for "Lowell Soap" "sold in pots."  Attachment (1) (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 9

RE: Picked up a cool pot lid today at the Baltimore Bot... - 7/10/2011 9:35:58 AM    TROG   Posts: 517 Joined: 9/27/2004 From: South Australia Status: offline Here is a larger version nearly 4 inches across Attachment (1) _____________________________ AMERICAN POT LIDS WANTED (in reply to andy g) Post #: 10

RE: Picked up a cool pot lid today at the Baltimore Bot... - 9/9/2011 8:57:02 AM    Gidday Posts: 166 Joined: 7/3/2004 Status: offline Be careful chasing these as they have been reproduced in the UK. The image directly above appears to be a copy. (in reply to TROG) Post #: 11

RE: Picked up a cool pot lid today at the Baltimore Bot... - 11/19/2011 2:50:15 AM    crackpot   Posts: 56 Joined: 5/18/2004 Status: offline I agree...many of these lids are being reproduced and you seriously have to suspect they are and prove they are genuine before you proceed to purchase. I saw a copy recently that was very hard to pick even with a trained eye (in reply to Gidday) Post #: 12

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