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Pontil Jar help Please - 12/23/2005 6:10:19 PM    flasherr Posts: 538 Joined: 5/7/2004 From: Abilene Texas Status: offline I have found an odd jar I believe it to be old. I will let you experts tell me what you think. I know more about sodas than this type of old glass. It has a large pontil mark with rough edges. This jar also has a small kick up like on wine bottles. full of seed bubbles with a great color and imperfections. It measures 9" tall 6" wide at base. to me it seems to have an odd lip on it. There are no seems to this Jar it has lots of rings in the glass from top to bottom looks like it is from the glass being stretched possibly. there are 2 pieces of trash in the glass. I do not know if this had a lid or not. The inside of lid is not ground down for a glass lid. There are no markings on this Jar at all. Please put your heads together and tell me something about it such as value and purpose. I know i haven't posted in a while but will soon as i get a chance Brian Attachment (1) _____________________________ Know anyone around Abilene Texas that digs? Post #: 1

RE: Pontil Jar help Please - 12/23/2005 6:10:54 PM    flasherr Posts: 538 Joined: 5/7/2004 From: Abilene Texas Status: offline 2 Attachment (1) _____________________________ Know anyone around Abilene Texas that digs? (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 2

RE: Pontil Jar help Please - 12/23/2005 6:11:48 PM    flasherr Posts: 538 Joined: 5/7/2004 From: Abilene Texas Status: offline 3 Attachment (1) _____________________________ Know anyone around Abilene Texas that digs? (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 3

RE: Pontil Jar help Please - 12/23/2005 6:13:42 PM    flasherr Posts: 538 Joined: 5/7/2004 From: Abilene Texas Status: offline 4 Attachment (1) _____________________________ Know anyone around Abilene Texas that digs? (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 4

RE: Pontil Jar help Please - 12/23/2005 6:14:39 PM    flasherr Posts: 538 Joined: 5/7/2004 From: Abilene Texas Status: offline last one Attachment (1) _____________________________ Know anyone around Abilene Texas that digs? (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 5

RE: Pontil Jar help Please - 12/23/2005 6:30:29 PM    capsoda Posts: 8087 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Hi Brian, You guys over in Texas sure find some neat stuff. May have to slide on over and check it out one day. Nice to be in the south where is only in the 60s and 70s. Looks like a food storage jar but could also be an apothacary jar. Could you post a side view pic. The rings in the glass come from turning the jar in in the mold while the glass is still hot. The top looks to be sheared and then turned down, a process that is not considered tooling and being pontiled I' d say 1860s or earlyer. It looks like a nice crude jar. Very cool. Merry Christmas _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 6

RE: Pontil Jar help Please - 12/23/2005 6:58:58 PM    flasherr Posts: 538 Joined: 5/7/2004 From: Abilene Texas Status: offline There is neat stuff here but I find best stuff comes from up north. I love to get into Indiana Ohio Tennessee to go hunting junk. I believe this jar possibly came from Richmond Indiana area. a lady from there brings lots of wonderful items down from there. The shop I got this from said she thinks it came from her sister which lives in that area. I hope this picture show what you wanted to see. the sun has gone down and don't have any real good lighting in house. Hunting for bottles in shops and markets is fun. What I really want is to get my hands dirty and dig bottles. I mostly collect ACL soda but I always love to find a nice piece. Thanx Brian Attachment (1) _____________________________ Know anyone around Abilene Texas that digs? (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 7

RE: Pontil Jar help Please - 12/23/2005 7:42:39 PM    KentOhio   Posts: 748 Joined: 9/13/2004 Status: offline I don't see any base wear, but I still think it's a genuinely old jar. When I say old, I mean OLD. As long as it's real, it would date from about 1760 to 1810. I'm not going to guess if it's American or not. There are people who have collected all their lives and they can't tell for sure. A lot of them are being imported from France that I've noticed, though. (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 8

RE: Pontil Jar help Please - 12/23/2005 7:43:54 PM    KentOhio   Posts: 748 Joined: 9/13/2004 Status: offline Oh, yeah, value. Probably not less than $225, and not more than $500. (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 9

RE: Pontil Jar help Please - 12/23/2005 8:33:32 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 5449 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline I have seen a few similar in antique shops that had other european import stuff like emerald green French Dur For jars. Sometimes they are polished pontil sometimes unpolished. They seem to be from victorian era, specimen jars or apothecary jars from what I can tell. Whether yours has similar origins is hard to say. < Message edited by GuntherHess -- 12/23/2005 8:41:33 PM > _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 10

RE: Pontil Jar help Please - 12/23/2005 10:13:43 PM    flasherr Posts: 538 Joined: 5/7/2004 From: Abilene Texas Status: offline Wow you guys are telling me something I want to hear. This is a beautiful jar. Its always nice when a little guy (haha I weigh 360lbs :)) like me can find something nice. I know there are some high end collectors out there. Im the guy that scavenges off the dollar table. I actually paid a little for this one. But if it has a value of $225-$500 I stole it. I have had string or bad luck lately. I had my cargo trailer stolen full of stuff I sell at antique shows and flea markets. I cracked the head on my truck and having problems finding another one. I hate to let this jar go but I may have to Ebay it. As I stated earlier my main interest is in ACL sodas or ones I just like. Please any more information would be great. When I bought it I thought apothecary jar but what would the lid have been made of? possibly a metal lid? I hope this is as old as you say if so it will be the oldest thing I have ever held in my hands other than dirt itself. I just like the way old glass feels in my hands. I know this will sound strange but it gives me a since of euphoria to hold such a piece of history. I hope more will share their thoughts on this jar. Thank you so very much Brian PS. Mat loved the book it will come in very handy im sure. I have some bottles from a collection i bought a while to look up when i have time and your book will be the one i go to _____________________________ Know anyone around Abilene Texas that digs? (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 11

RE: Pontil Jar help Please - 12/23/2005 10:16:47 PM    flasherr Posts: 538 Joined: 5/7/2004 From: Abilene Texas Status: offline It does have some base wear on edges but not bad. Why the kick up on this Jar? The color is amazing on this Jar I see why you guys like the old stuff. Brian _____________________________ Know anyone around Abilene Texas that digs? (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 12

RE: Pontil Jar help Please - 12/23/2005 10:26:46 PM    capsoda Posts: 8087 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline They used cloth either plain or sometimes it was soaked in wax, tars of different kinds or oil depending on what it was used for. It was tied on with string or a leather strip. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 13

RE: Pontil Jar help Please - 12/23/2005 10:27:49 PM    KentOhio   Posts: 748 Joined: 9/13/2004 Status: offline The kickup mostly just makes it stronger. It's harder to break a domed than a flat base. Also, bottoms got pressed up when the pontil rod was pressed onto it. I've seen these type of jars sealed with hollow blown spheres, aka "witch balls." The blown ball just rests on top and you pour wax at the joint. (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 14

RE: Pontil Jar help Please - 12/27/2005 10:55:27 PM    flasherr Posts: 538 Joined: 5/7/2004 From: Abilene Texas Status: offline What is the time period for Victorian? You hear it mentioned but I am unclear as to specific dates in history. Anyone else have any ideas on this jar. I plan to keep this jar for awhile who knows i might start collecting more old glass, but i still love my acls Brian _____________________________ Know anyone around Abilene Texas that digs? (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 15

RE: Pontil Jar help Please - 12/27/2005 11:38:54 PM    capsoda Posts: 8087 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline The victorian time period pertains to the reign of Queen Victoria of England. 1831-1901. Probably early victorian, pryor to 1860. In the south that would be the ante bellam period or pryor to the war.{Civil War} LOOK OUT! MISS SCARLET HAS THE VAPORS! {GAS} _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 16

RE: Pontil Jar help Please - 12/28/2005 10:07:52 AM    Road Dog   Posts: 853 Joined: 6/9/2005 Status: offline I have one of these with a glass lid. I will post a pic later (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 17

RE: Pontil Jar help Please - 12/28/2005 10:14:31 AM    amblypygi Posts: 454 Joined: 4/6/2004 From: Western Massachusetts Status: offline There's a very similar jar for sale at an antique store in southern NH, and I think they're asking $395, so KentOhio seems to be right on the money with the price estimate. This was in a booth where the other prices seemed about right to me, so I'd guess it was a fair retail estimate. Sean (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 18

RE: Pontil Jar help Please - 12/28/2005 10:48:19 AM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline amblypygi AKA Sean: Was that Knotty Pine by chance? _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric If you love what your doing it might be illegal, so watch your back. (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 19

RE: Pontil Jar help Please - 12/28/2005 11:26:26 AM    Road Dog   Posts: 853 Joined: 6/9/2005 Status: offline Here goes some pics of the one I have.This Jar is 11" without the lid and 6"dia. too.Kinda coincidental. Attachment (1) < Message edited by Road Dog -- 12/28/2005 11:49:57 AM > (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 20

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