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Poor Digging ethics - 4/6/2007 11:42:13 AM   
girlzgotmoxie

 

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Status: offline 		" As a representative of all bottle collectors and diggers, be thoughtful, considerate, and courteous at all times."

This is a direct quote from The 5th edition All Color Antique Trader Bottles Identification & Price Guide by Michael Polak on rules and ethics of being a collector and digger.

A little common courtesy goes a long way in life, and I believe that many of us strive to be good people, and do the right thing. I myself am one of those people, and I must say I was appaled to lean via a reliable and good friend, that while they were in "the other" bottle enthusiests web site, two of my very closests digging pals were being slanderized, because why? The following was copied and sent to me via email:

: BOTTLE-DUMP LAND, USA Posts: 1472 Status: Offline Posted: Thu Apr 5Th, 2007 01:01 pm Quote Reply He is too busy trying to find out where all my dumps are probably....If I see him, I am just gonna pound him and his fat friend...no talk....just a beating. I hope he gets caught digging in the big city dump...they will put him in jail...they almost threw me and my buddy Jay in the slammer when they caught us in there a couple months ago. Let him and jab the hut take the heat on that place!
Joined: Thu Jan 13Th, 2005 Location: Maine USA Posts: 1544 Status: Offline Posted: Wed Apr 4Th, 2007 09:43 pm Quote Reply Too bad our schedules are opposite, I get out at 1:30. I should have a full weekday off to dig soon. I'm ready to hit it. Is the big retard from Conway there yet? ____________________ "Digging Around on a Piece of Ground in Your Hometown" bigdinthedump Pro Digger Joined: Sun Jul 16Th, 2006 Location: Saco, Maine USA Posts: 261 Status: Offline Posted: Wed Apr 4Th, 2007 10:03 pm Quote Reply If haven't seen the "big retard" yet fortunately for him....I'm not work in now just dig gin so I'm free to dig anytime anyplace. ____________________ I like big Jugs

This is not only unethical for fellow bottle collecters and diggers to act in such a manner, but in my opinion very, very infantile. Proper "good" people do not present themselves in such a way, and should be ashamed to even sign their names to such derogatory comments. In addition to this behavior, my digging pals and myself have been banned from the other site, again why? We have never caused any problems and have always been friendly and courteous too every and all fellow diggers and collectors we have met, and now we have been threatened with physical violence if they meet us in a collecting site. These actions put a black mark on all of us diggers and collectors, and in the future I hope to not meet any other persons that act in this manner, as they are a disgrace to the meaning of the title Bottle Collector.

Here's hopeing none of you have to deal with any fiasco like this one, and happy digging !

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RE: Poor Digging ethics - 4/6/2007 11:55:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Gosh Moxie,

That is more info than my old head can process. Now I have a headache.

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RE: Poor Digging ethics - 4/6/2007 12:38:54 PM   
girlzgotmoxie

 

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RE: Poor Digging ethics - 4/6/2007 1:05:32 PM   
capsoda


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Status: offline 		Here! Here! I agree wholeheartedly. But unfortunetly they are out there. I always ignore them because they don't scare me and if they want to bring it on I can handle myself if I have to. Plus, I am very protective of my wife and won't tollerate any crap around her.

Most of the diggers around know me or know of me and the usual trouble makers steer clear. The rest of us have a really great time when we are together.

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RE: Poor Digging ethics - 4/6/2007 2:01:24 PM   
epgorge


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Status: offline 		That is funny you mention it Cappy, around here you can say what you want about a man but you bad mouth his wife, family, gun or dog, you got trouble. And, rightly so.

I have a neighbor who is a 2nd home homeowner from the city. She comes up once or twice a year.

I told her she was my favorite neighbor... then in true Vermont fashion I said, "cause you are never here". She quipped back... "And, you are my favorite neighbor, too." "Why"? I asked. Because you have such a bad reputation I know no one will be messing around your or my house". Touche!!!! Ouch!!
Joel

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RE: Poor Digging ethics - 4/6/2007 2:05:01 PM   
epgorge


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Status: offline 		Hey,

Some things are just meant to be Moxie... I knew when I snapped your picture, you belonged here.. and thought maybe you were. Welcome to your new home. We will treat you right... If someone posts something silly, just ignore the post.

Joel

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RE: Poor Digging ethics - 4/6/2007 6:50:12 PM   
Bottleboy4419

 

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Status: offline 		i dunno a lot of people like to talk a big game

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xxx - 4/6/2007 9:14:25 PM   
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RE: Poor Digging ethics - 4/6/2007 9:46:59 PM   
madpaddla


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RE: Poor Digging ethics - 4/6/2007 10:53:57 PM   
GuntherHess


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Status: offline 		We already know there are people like that out there, no need to post thier childish anticts here. Someday they will grow up, or end up in prison... or both.

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RE: Poor Digging ethics - 4/7/2007 1:41:14 AM   
morbious_fod

 

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Status: offline 		I guess there are idiots in every hobby. I have a few collections and have dealt with a few scummy people in my time. I haven't found too many in this one yet; however, my bottle collection is still young.

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RE: Poor Digging ethics - 4/7/2007 10:32:15 PM   
Mainepontil


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Status: offline 		That is my forum, and yes my members said it.  A private forum, where people can speak their minds, good or bad.  What Moxie failed to mention was the fact that a digger from 'away" came in and destroyed a dump we have been quietly digging for 15 years.  They travel 75 miles and come in huge groups leaving coffee cups and other trash behind.  Now the place is destroyed and the neighbors are mad. 

So yes, we are very upset and the conversation reflects it.   Since I respect all the members here and have been a member for a while I figured you guys might as well here my side of things.

GIRLZGOTMOXIE,  your quote is very ironic, that is advice you and your friends should heed.

 As a representative of all bottle collectors and diggers, be thoughtful, considerate, and courteous at all times."


Joel

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RE: Poor Digging ethics - 4/8/2007 9:03:33 AM   
portland med. man

 

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Status: offline 		that place looked fairly good untill they came in and dug huge holes everywhere just to find the older stuff to profit off of most likley....most of the stuff in there is late 1890`s with a few throw backs ,  if they dug it orderly and not left all there n. conway nh. newspapers flying around ,with other trash i dont think the neighbors would of cared.....talking about ethics....what ethics , drive to a different state just to find bottles....... what couldnt find any in there own state??????? bet i could but i stick to my own turf and dig with respect unlike alot of newbies..just my two cents,

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RE: Poor Digging ethics - 4/8/2007 10:02:45 AM   
Michdigger

 

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Status: offline 		After reading this post I have to agree with Mainepontil and Portland med. man, because of the fact it was there dump and some diggers which must of been beginners, moved in from another state and tore the place up and left the place a mess and messed up any further diggin for the guys who found the spot!!! That just shows how inexperienced the trespassers are and messed it up for the experienced ones that dug for years and filled their holes back again so the could return time after time..What a shame

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RE: Poor Digging ethics - 4/8/2007 10:18:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mainepontil

That is my forum, and yes my members said it.  A private forum, where people can speak their minds, good or bad.  What Moxie failed to mention was the fact that a digger from 'away" came in and destroyed a dump we have been quietly digging for 15 years.  They travel 75 miles and come in huge groups leaving coffee cups and other trash behind.  Now the place is destroyed and the neighbors are mad. 

So yes, we are very upset and the conversation reflects it.   Since I respect all the members here and have been a member for a while I figured you guys might as well here my side of things.

GIRLZGOTMOXIE,  your quote is very ironic, that is advice you and your friends should heed.

 As a representative of all bottle collectors and diggers, be thoughtful, considerate, and courteous at all times."


Joel


WELL PUT JOEL!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS FOR SETTING THIS THREAD STRAIGHT!

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RE: Poor Digging ethics - 4/8/2007 12:35:16 PM   
poisonsrit


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Status: offline 		i have been in that dump digging and there was more than just people from conway.i saw a group of  guys  from pennsilvania that said they were told about the dump on a bottle site.and they sunk a huge hole and mounded everything up instead of raking it flat.they left trash, cans etc. there was a big group from southern new hampshire that was there too leaving trash and big holes not filled in.and as far as the group from conway there was no group it was just two people not an army get the facts straight.NOT ONLY THAT THERE WERE LOCAL DIGGERS IN THERE ALMOST EVERY DAY.DIGGING HUGE HOLES AND PILES SO IT WAS NOT JUST ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE IT WAS EVERYONE.i have lived in maine all my life and just moved to new hampshire so what im not supossed to dig in a state that i grew up in? i cant go to saco and visit my friends and go digging with them?when they can look at the dump from there bedroom window.THIS WHOLE THING HAS GOTTEN OUT OF HAND,WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT THREATEN OTHERS WITH VIOLENCE FOR DIGGING BOTTLES.I DO NOT FOLLOW PEOPLE AROUND TO SEE WHERE THEY ARE DIGGING I HAVE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO THAN THAT I CAN FIND MY OWN DUMPS.I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE PLACE DID NOT GET TRASHED BUT IT WAS NOT JUST A FEW GUYS,SO WHY TAKE IT OUT ON A COUPLE GUYS WHEN IT WAS ABOUT 50 OR MORE!!!even people that lived local.so there is my 1 cent worth not that it matters any   thanks for letting me ramble    hope you all have a great year DONT KNOW IF IM GOING TO DIG OR NOT THIS WHOLE MESS HAS SPOILED IT FOR ME  ITS STUPID!!!!!MAYBE THEY SHOULD JUST SHUT THE PLACE DOWN THAT WILL SOLVE THAT PROBLEM




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RE: Poor Digging ethics - 4/8/2007 12:49:42 PM   
girlzgotmoxie

 

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Status: offline 		Well Gentleman
I assumed that this would ruffle a few feathers, but this is rediculas.
Mainepontil, portland med. man, michdigger, dumpmonkey, and whomever else decides they would like to retaliate in comment:
My two friends I dig with and myself are among a small group of five people who have been digging in there, and at one time we all lived in Maine, two out of the five still do, and we have very good friends from the surrounding area of the site who were digging with an old timer in there back in the 1970's, who now lives in Greenville, Maine, and that is how we were introduced to the collecting site.
The first time I went collecting in there a group of other diggers, whom I shall not mention, came in and were leaving their refuse around as well( empty beer containers, cigarette packs, ect.) digging rather large holes and sawing tree roots, so I'll take blame for a couple of coffee cups and a soda bottle or two, but our " huge group" are ALL non smokers and drinkers, and none of us can lay claim to vast array of Arizona Ice Tea cans and bottles left behind either. The fact also remains it is a city landfill, and compared to the abandoned tires, matresses, carpet remnants, and snow mobile bones, a few papers and cups seem insignificant.
We do travel to the site, but how is it any different than some of you traveling from New Glouster, Gorham, or even Manchester NH to collect? Are we specifically targeted because of that? The fact still remains that slanderizing and threat of physical violence is inappropriate behavior.
As Far as the neighbors are concerned, a gentleman by the name of Paul who's property abutts the dump has been very friendly with us and has taken the time to talk about the history of that particular area, and even will allow us to probe his back yard, there's another neighbor who lives down a little ways who collects at the site himself, and is just as guilty as I am about leaving trash about. Our good friends who live a block away from the site, while collecting in there have seen people from as far away from New Jersey, and I can attest we certainly do not know ANYONE from  New Jersey, among other folks from NH and all over Maine. We three are not the only folk in there, and are certainly not new to collecting,unless 20+ years is new, nor are we profiting off what we've collected. The best pieces are sitting on my mantel above my fire place, and there I intend for them to stay. However if I decide different, who's business is it really anyway?

My intent was not to stir the proverbial pot, but to make all collectors and diggers aware that if this sort of nonscence is happening to me, then it could happen to any one of you as well.

So although I will appoligize for our actions, I feel I should not have to, for it was not just our group involved in this particular activity.
I would like to put this to rest Sir, and expect the same sort of mature respect from yourselves.
Johannah (moxie)

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RE: Poor Digging ethics - 4/8/2007 1:13:39 PM   
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RE: Poor Digging ethics - 4/8/2007 1:27:55 PM   
girlzgotmoxie

 

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Status: offline 		Now that was just damn funny, I don't care who you are !!!

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RE: Poor Digging ethics - 4/8/2007 1:35:11 PM   
CALDIGR2

 

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Status: offline 		The results of the original posting only serve to reinforce secrecy when diggin' a favorite spot. Why announce it on the internet, of all things? "Spilling your beans" on the net will only result in exactly what took place at this dump site. What else could you expect?

I have been a serious digger for nearly fifty years and have learned my lesson, although it took several of these sort of incidents to finally make me understand that not all diggers are created equal. Unfortunately, there are many "vultures" among us, those whose sole intent is to score some cash for whatever reason, not to collect what they find. I have the local ones dialed in and they are most certainly NOT welcome at any site that I, and my diggin' partners, have discovered.



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