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RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 9/30/2007 9:34:26 PM    bamascavenger Posts: 219 Joined: 9/1/2007 From: Al. Status: offline is this radiated/fake? or is it really rare? http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1915-PURPLE-AMETHYST-HOBBLESKIRT-COCA-COLA-SC-COKE_W0QQitemZ180116270956QQihZ008QQcategoryZ13603QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem _____________________________ Army Rangers Lead The Way! Post #: 1

RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 9/30/2007 10:22:21 PM    digger mcdirt   Posts: 678 Joined: 8/8/2005 Status: offline Zapped Radiated but not the original color they also have the hobbleskirt in Amber which they never were. To each his own but personally I don't like them when they are strange zapped colors. I had a friend come by here with a Purple straight side he wanted $35 for it and I passed. _____________________________ McDirt (in reply to bamascavenger) Post #: 2

RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 9/30/2007 11:56:30 PM    Humabdos   Posts: 446 Joined: 6/13/2004 From: Greenville Texas The Blackest land whitest people Status: offline Funny how all his bottles look like that! What a rip off! (in reply to bamascavenger) Post #: 3

RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/1/2007 8:10:24 AM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2123 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline I'm confused, I thought the 1915s only came in an ice blue and coke green. How many were clear to get zapped? _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric Put your hand in an oven for a minute and it will be like an hour, sit beside a beautiful woman for an hour and it will be like a minute, that is relativity. --Albert Einstein (in reply to Humabdos) Post #: 4

RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/1/2007 8:20:50 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 4413 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline looks like it could have been purpled with a ultraviolet lamp, no way to really tell other than he has a lot purple bottles and some are very dark. He should be stating it in the auction to be honest. Still it seems like that bottle in clear would be pretty rare. < Message edited by GuntherHess -- 10/1/2007 8:23:57 AM > _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to cowseatmaize) Post #: 5

RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/1/2007 8:37:07 AM    digger mcdirt   Posts: 678 Joined: 8/8/2005 Status: offline Most clear ones are stock bottles with no city name . Stock bottles as a rule do not bring as much money since collectors collect by city/state. He is misleading people to believe that is a real color. The strange amber colors are also listed as rare in hobbleskirt they did not come in any real color other than clear aqua shades and a so called blue tint. But as long as people will take the bait there will be fishers out there remember what ole P.T. said. _____________________________ McDirt (in reply to bamascavenger) Post #: 6

RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/1/2007 1:52:17 PM    capsoda Posts: 7347 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Hey Terry, Nuked bottles other than clear that turn purple will have a grayish tone to them and will look sick. In my personal experance I have seen a few different colored Coke Bottles including a two tone blue and green on that Regie Lynch had displayes on his site. I personally saw an amber, not brown or grayish brown, coke come out of a bottle dump in 1973. It was dug by a good friend and bottle hound, Bill Mathews who passed away many years ago. It was medium amber and had a large X on the bottom. Now I'm not saying it is a production bottle because it is the only one I have ever seen but I doubt that anyone went to all the trouble to reproduce this bottle and bury it 5 or 6 feet in a bottle dump. The bottle now belongs to a guy who is a real Coke nut and has a museum quality and sized collection and thinks everyone is out to steel all his stuff or I would already have taken a pic of it. As for clear and blue, I have the proof. The clear bottle on the left is a Christmas Coke frome Pensacola, FL. It is really a very light aqua but know as clear. I don't think all the privys and dumps in the world have been dug yet so I can't say that there aren't other Coke bottles in other colors out there. I have heard tales of 7UP green and honey amber but haven't seen them. Attachment (1) < Message edited by capsoda -- 10/1/2007 2:00:28 PM > _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to digger mcdirt) Post #: 7

RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/1/2007 2:09:31 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4413 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline quote: He is misleading people to believe that is a real color. Are you saying the color was something other than a clear bottle (containing manganese) that was turned amethyst using UV light? _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to digger mcdirt) Post #: 8

RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/1/2007 3:03:50 PM    digdug Posts: 588 Joined: 11/4/2004 From: Atlanta Status: offline Hey Cap-in Cecil Munsey book from 1972 (Illustrated Guide to Coca-Cola Collectibles) he mentions a brown hobbleskirt used as an experimental bottle. I had never seen one -and still hadn't, but the one that your friend dug up sounds like one, what with the "X" on the bottom, etc.                I've seen the brown ones that have been radiadted as well as the purple ones too.  An Antique store around me sells them a lot. Someone has taken common Cokes with slight to heavy damage and zaps them to get extra $$$ out of them. Usually has them marked around $20 to $30.  And he also does not mention anything about them being altered. < Message edited by digdug -- 10/1/2007 3:07:38 PM > (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 9

RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/1/2007 3:27:50 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4413 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline The brown (not inclusing the X one) and really dark amethyst (almost black) skirted cokes were colored by exposure to high energy radioactive sources. These colors could never occur natually (like SCA glass) so I would assume they are fairly worthless to collectors. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to digdug) Post #: 10

RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/1/2007 3:29:09 PM    capsoda Posts: 7347 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline I don't have a problem with irradiated bottles. Some people like the colors. I do have a problem with people claiming that they are rare and selling them to folks who don't know any better. This guy is the king of crap. He sells alot of  lajit looking stuff and it is pricey. All his bottles are super rare and many are nuked. He is a crook and he knows it. Don't buy anything from him because it will not be what he advertises. Beware of this seller. I thought I had the Illustrated Guide to Coca-Cola Collectibles. Can't find it. May have to get another copy. < Message edited by capsoda -- 10/1/2007 3:42:34 PM > _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to digdug) Post #: 11

RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/1/2007 3:39:42 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4413 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline quote: is this radiated/fake? or is it really rare? so to the original question... Is it irradiated? Probably. Is it fake? It doesnt seem to be. Is it rare? It cetainly isnt common but a coke expert will have to say how rare it is.I doubt its $500 rare. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 12

RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/1/2007 3:44:31 PM    capsoda Posts: 7347 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline It is a real Coke bottle and it is probably nuked since that is his specialty and it is worth 3 to 5 bucks. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 13

RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/1/2007 3:57:59 PM    RICKJJ59W Posts: 2869 Joined: 3/8/2007 From: Lehigh Valley US of A Status: offline TV dinners are for nuking not bottles _____________________________ One day at a time. Blogs.Bottle story's I wrote for AB&GC New story added. http://www.myspace.com/bottlediggerr Digs in action. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pitpirate/ (in reply to bamascavenger) Post #: 14

RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/1/2007 4:21:50 PM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2123 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline I found a clear 1915 no city in past auctions. It went for about $20 with the shipping. Do you think it'll get nuked? I doubt it. I think the majority of irradiated stuff was done years ago, not so much now. Well, the guy in Canada with the fruit jars. _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric Put your hand in an oven for a minute and it will be like an hour, sit beside a beautiful woman for an hour and it will be like a minute, that is relativity. --Albert Einstein (in reply to RICKJJ59W) Post #: 15

RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/1/2007 5:28:23 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4413 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Since 9/11 its probably isnt as easy to get close to neutron radiation sources. Homer Simpson cant take them with him to the reactor anymore  I guess they can still throw a couple on the MRE processing line. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to cowseatmaize) Post #: 16

RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/1/2007 10:34:46 PM    appliedlips Posts: 1341 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline    The answer is yes it has been irradiated.No,it was never clear to start with.Aqua glass that contains manganese that will turn colors also.They turn the same purples as clear bottles.There are alot of myths about the process that are not true.Cap mentioned browns,alot of newer post WW1 glass will turn shades of brown or amber,this will fade back to clear in time,purples will never fade or change back.Most bottles are not irradiated at nuclear generators and never were.The deep colors cannot be done with germicidal lamps at home.There are also alot of funky blue sodas(especially from the south)being sold as real.Irradiation can produce blues also.I have sold several irradiated purple hobbleskirts advertised honestly and they sell for $25-$35.I could make more so they definately aren't worth that kind of money.Doug < Message edited by appliedlips -- 10/1/2007 10:38:24 PM > (in reply to bamascavenger) Post #: 17

RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/2/2007 12:20:31 AM    capsoda Posts: 7347 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline the blue one I have is from Maine or New Hampshire. I got it from a forum member who dug it. never seen one down here or I would have bought it. I saw two other blue ones the day they were dug while I was up in Maine. All were Nov 16, 1915 bottles. The purple ones will go back to there normal color if you put them in the a cold oven and set the temp for 200. Takes about three hours. I have done this with sodas and fruit jars. If you try it the bottle or jar must be free of dings, nicks and cracks. Try it on a low buck bottle until you get the temp right because all ovens are different. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 18

RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/2/2007 8:46:49 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 4413 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline quote: Aqua glass that contains manganese that will turn colors also I have tried this on a lot of aqua bottles and never found one that would change color, even the super light aqua ones. Not saying its not true but it cant be common. Wasnt the point of the manganese to turn the glass clear. I would think if it has enough manganese in the glass to turn purple then the glass would be clear to start with. A lot of clear bottles only seem to have a little manganese in them and dont turn purple much at all.  It seems that one with so little manganese that it isnt even clear would turn purple even less.  Just my non-scientific observations. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 19

RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/2/2007 9:07:00 AM    appliedlips Posts: 1341 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline       Matt,     1800's aqua glass readily turns not at the percentage of clear but a good amount.Hobbleskirts are tougher as there wasn't much manganese being used when they were made.In sun coloring it takes alot of manganese to get a purple,with nuking a little dab a do ya.Naturally occuring manganese or mixed batches produce enough to turn it at high levels.The insulator collectors have been nuking glass for 30 years by the thousands,finding clear insulators before 1910 or so is pretty tough.Most of the nuked insulators started aqua.I have turned quite a few aqua bottles so it does happen.Doug (in reply to bamascavenger) Post #: 20

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