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REAL or FAKE? opinions welcome! - 11/7/2006 12:25:37 AM    shauntos   Posts: 6 Joined: 11/5/2006 Status: offline I'm New to this site and have a question regarding handwritten labels on psychoative medicines. Has anyone ever seen small handwritten paper labels on bottles w/ no maker name or city or anything, just says opium, or morphine...? Can you tell anything by the style of writing? Thanks for any info This bottle says cannabis on the front(handwritten paper label) and says H.T. Helmbold on the side. the next bottle says morphine on the front(handwritten paper label) the next bottle says opium on the front(handwritten paper label) and S&C Pacific Pharmacy Eureka CA. on the back < Message edited by shauntos -- 11/8/2006 4:41:50 PM > Post #: 1

RE: handwritten labels on psychoatic medicines, GREAT P... - 11/7/2006 12:55:08 AM    capsoda Posts: 7510 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Hey Shaun, Welcome to the forum. Hand writen lables were common in the 1800s and even into the early 1900s. Don't open any of those bottles. the contents were extremely potent and will do things to a person like you never dreamed of in your wildest nightmare. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to shauntos) Post #: 2

RE: handwritten labels on psychoatic medicines, GREAT P... - 11/7/2006 2:14:59 AM    shauntos   Posts: 6 Joined: 11/5/2006 Status: offline thanks for the advice capsoda i collect them to keep the contents inside the bottle and not in me! (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 3

RE: handwritten labels on psychoatic medicines, GREAT P... - 11/7/2006 8:19:48 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 4733 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Those labels look fake to me. They are on bottles that would have not been used for those types of contents. The morphine one for example would have been a perfume, the Helmbolt was a flavoring extract. It appears someone added the labels to try to increase the values of common bottles. The text on the labels doesnt look authentic to me. Just my opinion of course. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to shauntos) Post #: 4

RE: handwritten labels on psychoatic medicines, GREAT P... - 11/7/2006 10:49:35 AM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2012 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline snd them things my way I'll try a dose! ack ack ack _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 5

RE: handwritten labels on psychoatic medicines, GREAT P... - 12/28/2006 11:25:57 PM    diginit   Posts: 661 Joined: 4/7/2004 From: California Status: offline Ouch! If those are real-Keep in mind that they are controlled substances and a felony to posess. And are worth $$$ on the street. (I didn't see a thing) Lay them on their sides to Keep the Corks Wet. One question. Are the contents of all the bottles the same color, tecture, etc? The only way to tell for sure is to have the contents tested in a lab.  _____________________________ Life is a Ditch. (in reply to zanes_antiques) Post #: 6

RE: handwritten labels on psychoatic medicines, GREAT P... - 12/29/2006 7:31:48 AM    bikegoon Posts: 663 Joined: 10/2/2006 From: Lebanon, Ohio Status: offline Heya, Did you replace those corks? _____________________________ A little of everything at http://www.bottlecache.com (in reply to diginit) Post #: 7

RE: REAL or FAKE? opinions welcome! - 1/2/2007 6:28:36 PM    annie44 Posts: 1076 Joined: 10/27/2005 Status: offline http://www.glswrk-auction.com/023.htm Here's a link to an article on H.T. Helmbold (in reply to shauntos) Post #: 8

RE: REAL or FAKE? opinions welcome! - 1/3/2007 12:22:41 AM    KentOhio   Posts: 688 Joined: 9/13/2004 Status: offline I've seen plenty of re-used bottles with labels that didn't originally belong on them. I've even seen a medicine label glued overtop of a furniture polish label. Handwritten labels did look like the ones you have, but they'd be easy to fake too. If you got them all from the same source, they'd more likely be fake than if they came from different places. A crime lab could do a test to see what kind of ink they're written in, but that could be expensive. Plus, if someone was really clever, they'd get antique paper and a bottle of unused ink from the era and then go to work. (in reply to annie44) Post #: 9

RE: REAL or FAKE? opinions welcome! - 1/3/2007 12:39:38 AM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2012 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline Don't forget the teabags! _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to KentOhio) Post #: 10

RE: REAL or FAKE? opinions welcome! - 1/9/2007 8:36:16 AM    huffmnd   Posts: 372 Joined: 8/8/2005 From: Sparta Tennessee Status: offline I must have missed this one along the way, if all of the contents have the same coloration and fluidity I would have to sat that the contents at least are fake. As for the labels on the bottles there were a lot of frugal people in those days and would not have thought twice about using any bottle that was available to sell their wares in. (in reply to zanes_antiques) Post #: 11

RE: REAL or FAKE? opinions welcome! - 1/11/2007 10:01:49 AM    atticmint Posts: 214 Joined: 10/28/2005 From: Honeymoon City Canada Status: offline Here's a few examples of bottles being reused. Probably praticed even more here in Canada than the States. Two good examples of U.S. bottles being recycled by us cheap Kanucks  One Doyles bitters refilled as castor oil and a Dr. Hayden's used for formaldehyde. Attachment (1) (in reply to huffmnd) Post #: 12

RE: REAL or FAKE? opinions welcome! - 1/11/2007 10:12:51 AM    atticmint Posts: 214 Joined: 10/28/2005 From: Honeymoon City Canada Status: offline Also for the other side of the discussion here are some old unused labels I found a while ago, that could easily be used to fake people out. Attachment (1) (in reply to atticmint) Post #: 13

RE: REAL or FAKE? opinions welcome! - 2/18/2007 9:11:02 PM    BigJock   Posts: 59 Joined: 2/12/2007 Status: offline Some Crackheads dope collection left by his Grandfather lololol guaranteed 10-25 years for them all lololol (in reply to atticmint) Post #: 14

RE: REAL or FAKE? opinions welcome! - 2/19/2007 6:17:14 AM    epgorge Posts: 2398 Joined: 12/29/2006 Status: offline "Ouch! If those are real-Keep in mind that they are controlled substances and a felony to posess. And are worth $$$ on the street." The controlled substance act wasn't around during the days those medicines were used. I think the law if not the jury would very leniant on a collector. Furthermore, the street value would denote to a heavy sentence for the individual releasing this poison onto the street. As Cap said, there is no way to say what is in it, or if it is potent or deadly.  I will personally wait for Zane to try some before I join in. Joel _____________________________ (in reply to BigJock) Post #: 15

RE: REAL or FAKE? opinions welcome! - 2/19/2007 9:39:57 AM    logueb   Posts: 1380 Joined: 1/6/2007 Status: offline I would have to go with the fake.  The corks appear to be too new and  the contents are too full.  What I have found in old closets etc. that were still corked had a certain amout of evaporation of the alcohol content even when tightly corked. And the corks were very crumbly and are usually even with the top of the bottle. _____________________________ Buster Bottle Bug Bit with no cure in sight. (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 16

RE: REAL or FAKE? opinions welcome! - 2/20/2007 10:54:59 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 4733 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Yes, there are a lot of red flags that make those labels suspious. Including the fact that the corks look new and the contents are too full (bottles werent typically filled that much even when new). Good points. As far as the contents being "controlled substances", I wouldnt worry too much about that. Complex organic componds break down over time. Doubt you would get a very good high off 100 year old opium.  < Message edited by GuntherHess -- 2/20/2007 10:57:16 AM > _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to logueb) Post #: 17

RE: REAL or FAKE? opinions welcome! - 2/21/2007 9:35:11 AM    huffmnd   Posts: 372 Joined: 8/8/2005 From: Sparta Tennessee Status: offline Well there's only one way to find out if 100 year old opium is good or not, what you do is take a.........err?...........um?.................google search. (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 18

RE: REAL or FAKE? opinions welcome! - 2/21/2007 3:54:12 PM    Bottleman Posts: 851 Joined: 9/3/2004 From: Central Pennsylvania Status: offline . < Message edited by Bottleman -- 10/23/2007 5:40:15 PM > (in reply to huffmnd) Post #: 19

RE: REAL or FAKE? opinions welcome! - 10/23/2007 4:30:57 PM    WindyCityBrian   Posts: 17 Joined: 10/21/2007 Status: offline It looks to me like these are from a movie set. (in reply to shauntos) Post #: 20

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