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RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/19/2008 7:14:41 PM   
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Has anyone ever come across the lower of these two bottles before? I have collected Oregon drugs for many years and never come across this varient. The embossing reads: SMITH & STEINER/ RED CORNER DRUG STORE/SALEM, OR. I have asked a few other local collectors, and none of them have heard of this bottle, if anyone out there has any info I would be interested.

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RE: RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/19/2008 9:24:40 PM   
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I can't say that I have seen that example, although I'm not a huge expert on Salem pharmacies. I dug in McMinnville over the last year and got all of the McMinnville and Sheridan examples, but I never even dug a piece of a Salem druggist. What town are you digging in? I would love to eventually make my way over to Salem for a little digging. Happy Digging

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RE: RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/20/2008 2:41:15 AM   
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That one was actually dug in N.E. Portland, but I have been known to dig most of the little towns all over the state. Are you a member of any of the local bottle clubs? Here are a few examples from our most recent dig.


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RE: RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/20/2008 8:41:30 AM   
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Searched for 20 minutes and came up with this. Not much as the urge to research hasn't come upon me as yet. More coffee please...
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Game of chess in Steiner's Drugstore in Salem, Oregon
COLLECTION
Ben Maxwell
DESCRIPTION
This is a photo of seven men in Steiner's Drugstore in Salem, Oregon. Five observers, two standing and three sitting, are watching the two chess players facing one another over the chest board. All of the men are wearing vests and four of them are wearing hats. Only one is coatless with his coat appearing on the shelf behind him (perhaps he is the proprietor of the store). Bottles, boxes, and a barrel occupy the shelves behind the men.
DATE
unknown
SUBJECTS
Salem, Oregon; Steiner's Drugstore; chess; pharmacy; games; Denton collection
PHOTOGRAPHER
Denton
COLLECTOR
Ben Maxwell
OBJECT
b/w photo; negative
DIMENSIONS
H 5 inches L 7 inches
PHOTO SOURCE
Salem Public Library



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RE: RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/20/2008 11:12:15 AM   
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What a haul!  I've never hit that many local pharmacy/druggist bottles at once,
except at a bottle show...

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RE: RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/20/2008 1:54:54 PM   
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Thanks for digging up the info Lobeycat, that photo is very interesting, I'll have to make a trip to Salem Library and see if I can make out any of the embossing on the bottles in the background!

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RE: RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/20/2008 2:03:31 PM   
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My pleasure Don....that's why this place is here. Welcome to the forum! I love old photos like this, a glimpse at a less complicated time. And yeah the bottles in the background are pretty cool!
Lobey.

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RE: RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/20/2008 2:04:51 PM   
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Hi  Lordbud, thanks, we did find quite a few the other weekend, and what you see pictured is only the tip of the iceburg, we pulled over 300 bottles (almost none plain, ranging in age from 1870's-1890's) out of the ground that day from 4 privies on a single lot in close in S.E. Portland. Next week I've got a permission for a lot in a neighborhood very close to an old TODCo store.....I've bee dreaming about a hole full of Owls all week!

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RE: RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/20/2008 5:56:39 PM   
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Wow! Awesome haul of Portland pharmacies, I can't believe you got the variety that you did! Portland privies would be awesome to dig, I'm sure there is plenty more to be found throughout the city. I'm not a member of the club but I've been meaning to. I live in Washington and go to college in McMinnville so when i'm back in oregon i will look into it.

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RE: RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/20/2008 6:23:23 PM   
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Hey Lobey,
I would agree about the photos....The Oakland Public library has a great collection of photos displayed in their history room. Here's one of them I photo's last week.
That must have a great place to work....The French Italian bakery!




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RE: RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/20/2008 6:32:50 PM   
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I know some boys that still look like that That's an awesome photo, and lunch looks pretty good to!

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RE: RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/20/2008 8:26:24 PM   
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I would love to hit a hole like that! I don't know if Portland is like Steubenville but a hole full of druggist is rare. It keeps me digging the turn of the century privies.

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RE: RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/21/2008 7:09:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: donalddarneille

Hi Lordbud, thanks, we did find quite a few the other weekend, and what you see pictured is only the tip of the iceburg, we pulled over 300 bottles (almost none plain, ranging in age from 1870's-1890's) out of the ground that day from 4 privies on a single lot in close in S.E. Portland. Next week I've got a permission for a lot in a neighborhood very close to an old TODCo store.....I've bee dreaming about a hole full of Owls all week!


Good looking digs, Donald, but you do know that it is illegal to dig bottes in OR, dont'cha? Even with permission on private property it is still a no-no according to silly state laws. I still do it, though, and hunt Indian artifacts, too. We have many privies probed out in an undug central OR town and lots of permissions to get them, so that is exactly what we will do. I spoke with the local police and they could care less, so who's gonna enforce the no diggin' laws? HAR! What a joke.

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RE: RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/21/2008 8:06:42 PM   
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Don:

Great haul from a small number of privies. Our Privy Posse here in Walla Walla will occasionally dig up an Oregon druggist bottle, but largely they are from other cities in Washington state. Did dig up a "Joseph M. Ricen Druggist & Chemist/315 First Street/Portland, Oregon" a few weeks back, however.

As for the legality of privy digging in Oregon state, we've heard wind that the general public is barred from digging holes and removing artifacts contained therein that are more than 75 years-old. Nevertheless, the law has yet to have a test case in the state. I suspect one will come along given the new interest by archaeologists in privies. From a legal standpoint, I would venture the issue would be complicated by the private domain standard whereby a landowner has, by governmental fiat, yielded some of his land-use rights to the state in the name of historical preservation. Further complicating this issue from a landowner's rights perspective is whether the collected artifacts were intended for personal hobby or commercial enterprise. Of course one way to circumvent arguments against privy digging in the state would be to secure a master's degree in archaeology with an emphasis in urban archaeology. Ideally, the most interesting case would involve a collector/papered archaeologist working under the auspices of a non-profit entity, one created specifically for the preservation of antiquities found in 19th century privy pits.

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RE: RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/21/2008 8:10:25 PM   
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Yes, I've actually read the law, it was a topic of discussion at a few OBCA meetings this last year,  loosely interpreted it could be used to include privy digging, but was actually just written to protect Native American artifacts and sights. My sisters Father-in-Law is an archeological law professor and has studied the document, he believes it would not hold up in court if charges were brought against a bottle digger, and he has actually been out to observe a few of our digs. But regardless I'm sure I would continue digging, been doing it for thirty years here in Oregon and havn't had a problem yet.

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RE: RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/21/2008 9:30:40 PM   
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Hi,

A Ricen all the way up ther in Walla Walla? Havn't seen one of those in a while! But with the hundred or so different embossed Portland drugs it's hard to keep track of who you see when.....is that the one with the words "DRUGGIST & CHEMISTS" embossed in the "ribbon scroll"?

As for the digging law.......this is an issue that raised its head  here about 15 years ago and then quietly went away......just waiting for it to do the same again.

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RE: RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/21/2008 10:33:22 PM   
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quote:

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Don:

Great haul from a small number of privies. Our Privy Posse here in Walla Walla will occasionally dig up an Oregon druggist bottle, but largely they are from other cities in Washington state. Did dig up a "Joseph M. Ricen Druggist & Chemist/315 First Street/Portland, Oregon" a few weeks back, however.

As for the legality of privy digging in Oregon state, we've heard wind that the general public is barred from digging holes and removing artifacts contained therein that are more than 75 years-old. Nevertheless, the law has yet to have a test case in the state. I suspect one will come along given the new interest by archaeologists in privies. From a legal standpoint, I would venture the issue would be complicated by the private domain standard whereby a landowner has, by governmental fiat, yielded some of his land-use rights to the state in the name of historical preservation. Further complicating this issue from a landowner's rights perspective is whether the collected artifacts were intended for personal hobby or commercial enterprise. Of course one way to circumvent arguments against privy digging in the state would be to secure a master's degree in archaeology with an emphasis in urban archaeology. Ideally, the most interesting case would involve a collector/papered archaeologist working under the auspices of a non-profit entity, one created specifically for the preservation of antiquities found in 19th century privy pits.


Have you guys that dig in WW found any Cutter related fifths and flasks up there. A.P. Hotaling had offices there in the 1870s, so something has to show up in your area. I have a sign that was sent to a saloon in Mt Vernon by Hotaling that has Walla Walla, WT on it, as well as Seattle, WT, Portland, O and San Francisco, Cal. This indicates that Hotaling's products were sold in WW at least as early as 1877, the date of the piece.

If you come across any bottles related to Hotaling that you are willing to part with I would appreciate a heads up.

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RE: RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/21/2008 11:53:45 PM   
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Great digs, Donald. Local druggist bottles are a favorite of mine. I have approximately 20 of them from my town. One thing I love about them is that new variants and names are always popping up. I have almost as much fun researching the druggists and doctors as I do unearthing their bottles. ~Jim

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RE: RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/22/2008 1:41:01 AM   
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Don:

You've got the description dead-to-rights. Ribbon scroll two ounce bottle. Cleaned up nicely and not a flea bite to speak of.

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RE: RED CORNER DRUG STORE, SALEM OREGON - 7/22/2008 1:53:24 AM   
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Caldig:

We work two-to-four pits weekly. We find a number of W.T. (Washington Territory) embossed druggists but have yet to find any A.P. Hotaling embossed booze bottles. The Privy Posse never rests. The earliest pits dug are transitional -- 1860s through mid-1870s. But we're finding in these pits citron strap-sided pint/half-pint whiskies (badly broken) some embossed, others not. We're attempting as a group to garner cachet and open doors with social acceptance and  permission. There are 1850s pits here -- under buildings and asphalt. As for the Hotalings, thanks for the head's up. I'll keep you informed as to our largesse. 

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