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Real arrowhead??? - 6/18/2010 9:31:41 PM    towhead Posts: 2691 Joined: 12/31/2004 From: GREAT LAKES Status: offline Got a bunch of bottles and a can of agates from a sale....Bottles are all common stuff....However, this arrowhead was in the can of agates...do you think it is "NEW" ?  Thank you! -Julie Attachment (1) < Message edited by towhead -- 6/18/2010 9:33:17 PM > Post #: 1

RE: Real arrowhead??? - 6/18/2010 9:43:17 PM    pyshodoodle Posts: 2801 Joined: 8/3/2008 From: Lehigh Valley PA Status: offline I know very little about arrowheads, so I'm going to see what the experts say, but I will say I never saw an arrowhead with so little "working" on it. You're thinking the same thing? _____________________________ HONESTY IS NO LONGER PC. (in reply to towhead) Post #: 2

RE: Real arrowhead??? - 6/18/2010 10:51:51 PM    RED Matthews Posts: 2394 Joined: 8/2/2008 Status: offline Hi,  I doubt that it is new.  Why would anyone make them today?   Maybe if the thought they could sell them.  In my opinion they won't get rich doing that.  RED M. _____________________________ http://www.bottlemysteries.com/welcome/ (in reply to pyshodoodle) Post #: 3

RE: Real arrowhead??? - 6/18/2010 11:48:27 PM    pyshodoodle Posts: 2801 Joined: 8/3/2008 From: Lehigh Valley PA Status: offline I'm going with new. (In fact, there's one in this pic that looks extremely similar) http://www.paulssupplies.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8&products_id=199 Arrowheads and spear points should have ridges on the sides (to help kill stuff). It doesn't look very functional. _____________________________ HONESTY IS NO LONGER PC. (in reply to RED Matthews) Post #: 4

RE: Real arrowhead??? - 6/18/2010 11:51:33 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 11470 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline looks like a tourist item to me. _____________________________ FREE Online Medicine Guide - http://www.antiquemedicines.com/MedicineNexus/Nexus.htm Web Site - http://antiquemedicines.com Email : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to pyshodoodle) Post #: 5

RE: Real arrowhead??? - 6/18/2010 11:54:33 PM    L C   Posts: 3446 Joined: 3/17/2007 From: Ohio Status: offline There is a lot of people today chipping out arrowheads Red and trying to pass them off as authentic to make money on them , or at least there are in my area . The one pictured to me has so little working that I would say it is not an old one , but then too , that is just my opinion , I could be wrong though . There was a guy here local here some years back came up with a set of six of the most beautifully chipped out spears a person ever seen . Only thing was , they were chipped out of different colored pieces of glass . The person who chipped them out was sure good at doing it . (in reply to RED Matthews) Post #: 6

RE: Real arrowhead??? - 6/19/2010 12:36:27 AM    pyshodoodle Posts: 2801 Joined: 8/3/2008 From: Lehigh Valley PA Status: offline There's a flintknapper in my area that will teach you if you want... You can just go to his house Tuesday nights or something. (It's been about 5 years since I saw him- don't know if he still does that.) I've watched him make them and he does a great job. He said experts can tell who created the arrowheads... in other words, it's actually possible to track some of the Indian trading by arrowheads and where they end up. Not all Indians kapped their own points. It was a skill that only a few were masters of. They used deer antlers to knap the stones, but modern knappers use these sticks with copper on the ends. _____________________________ HONESTY IS NO LONGER PC. (in reply to L C) Post #: 7

RE: Real arrowhead??? - 6/19/2010 12:39:49 AM    L C   Posts: 3446 Joined: 3/17/2007 From: Ohio Status: offline That's interesting , I do not know any of them who do it around here , but there are some who really have the knack to do so . (in reply to pyshodoodle) Post #: 8

RE: Real arrowhead??? - 6/19/2010 12:54:30 AM    pyshodoodle Posts: 2801 Joined: 8/3/2008 From: Lehigh Valley PA Status: offline Also, modern flintknappers with integrity sign their work and do not try to pass them off as ancient relics. _____________________________ HONESTY IS NO LONGER PC. (in reply to L C) Post #: 9

RE: Real arrowhead??? - 6/19/2010 1:23:35 AM    L C   Posts: 3446 Joined: 3/17/2007 From: Ohio Status: offline Regretfully , there are many that don't . Money does strange things to some people . I used to know a guy that would take the reproduction fruit jars and scratch them up on concrete to try and get them to look old . I hate to admit it but he managed to screw me over with one of them on one occasion , never dealt with him again after that . (in reply to pyshodoodle) Post #: 10

RE: Real arrowhead??? - 6/19/2010 1:25:59 AM    CALDIGR2 Posts: 2270 Joined: 6/20/2005 Status: offline Sorry, but that's just junk knocked out to sell to unknowing folks. Real arrow points look like this. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Dig no privy before it's time. (in reply to pyshodoodle) Post #: 11

RE: Real arrowhead??? - 6/19/2010 1:31:54 AM    L C   Posts: 3446 Joined: 3/17/2007 From: Ohio Status: offline That is indeed a real beauty . I have a few points put away somewhere around here , but none of them are what you can call beauties , they are authentic though . (in reply to CALDIGR2) Post #: 12

RE: Real arrowhead??? - 6/19/2010 10:13:08 AM    Poison_Us Posts: 2954 Joined: 5/27/2009 From: Savannah, Ga. Status: offline It's new.  It lacks the finished quality of a true artifact.  Now, there are professional knappers out there that can make one's as good and better than historical points, but they make their points from good obsidian and like minerals.  But there are also mass produced ones that are for tourists made out of the Philippines and other places.  This is one of those. _____________________________ Poison Us Member: APBCA ( www.poisonbottleclub.org ) Visit Us @: www.poisonousaddiction.com Looking for digging partners in/near Savannah. Be a friend. Give the "GIFT" of Poison. (in reply to L C) Post #: 13

RE: Real arrowhead??? - 6/19/2010 10:18:00 AM    pyshodoodle Posts: 2801 Joined: 8/3/2008 From: Lehigh Valley PA Status: offline quote: ORIGINAL: CALDIGR2 Sorry, but that's just junk knocked out to sell to unknowing folks. Real arrow points look like this. Most of them don't look like that! Boy, is that pretty - I love the backdrop! _____________________________ HONESTY IS NO LONGER PC. (in reply to CALDIGR2) Post #: 14

RE: Real arrowhead??? - 6/19/2010 12:33:01 PM    RED Matthews Posts: 2394 Joined: 8/2/2008 Status: offline So it is nothing new,  I haven't kept up my study of arrowheads though the battle of Redl Jacket and Sullivans Army took place about 1/4 mile from my NY home and my Grandfather lived next to it and collected a hundred or so arrow heads while working in his vineyard.  I never did know who ended up with his arrow heads - it wasn't me. RED Matthews  _____________________________ http://www.bottlemysteries.com/welcome/ (in reply to pyshodoodle) Post #: 15

RE: Real arrowhead??? - 6/19/2010 1:23:38 PM    L C   Posts: 3446 Joined: 3/17/2007 From: Ohio Status: offline I know individuals in my area who possess fairly large collections of beautiful points found through out my area where I live . Some of them have collected as long thirty years or so . Today there is so much no till farming where I live that hunting Indian artifacts has dropped off tremendously . (in reply to RED Matthews) Post #: 16

RE: Real arrowhead??? - 6/19/2010 10:48:46 PM    sloughduck   Posts: 385 Joined: 12/21/2008 Status: offline This looks like a new knapped point. (in reply to CALDIGR2) Post #: 17

RE: Real arrowhead??? - 6/20/2010 10:38:11 PM    pyshodoodle Posts: 2801 Joined: 8/3/2008 From: Lehigh Valley PA Status: offline OK, so I visited my dad today and since this post was fresh in my mind, I took some pictures of my mom's bowl of goodies. These were given to her by Eva Yohe, who died in 1986. I think she was 91 when she died. I think most of these were found by her husband Russell, when he worked in the fields when he was young. Their farm is near where a lot of arrowheads used to be found. So - these points were actually FOUND around 100 years ago... maybe more, as I don't know if all these were actually found by Russell, or if they just were all in the family & he ended up with them. I do know that Russell was not a farmer. He became a school teacher, as did Eva. Attachment (1) _____________________________ HONESTY IS NO LONGER PC. (in reply to sloughduck) Post #: 18

RE: Real arrowhead??? - 6/20/2010 10:39:25 PM    pyshodoodle Posts: 2801 Joined: 8/3/2008 From: Lehigh Valley PA Status: offline * Attachment (1) _____________________________ HONESTY IS NO LONGER PC. (in reply to pyshodoodle) Post #: 19

RE: Real arrowhead??? - 6/20/2010 10:41:24 PM    pyshodoodle Posts: 2801 Joined: 8/3/2008 From: Lehigh Valley PA Status: offline THe flip side of the red one pointing down still has a lot of dirt on it. I will be washing it on a future visit. Attachment (1) _____________________________ HONESTY IS NO LONGER PC. (in reply to pyshodoodle) Post #: 20

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