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Repro? - 6/20/2007 11:36:38 AM    spidericecream   Posts: 6 Joined: 6/20/2007 From: Lindon, Colorado Status: offline Can anyone confirm repro or original? I have 2 "historical" flasks, neither has pontil marks, neither have any indication as to manufacturer marks. The first is approx. 8 inches high, 5 1/2 inches wide(at the widest part) and about 3 1/2 inches deep. Amber in color. There seems to be a seam running to the top, but it is hard to tell. It almost looks like the seam was ground or rubbed down. It does have a few bubble bursts, a lot of flea bites(mainly concentrated at the “horseshoe“ shaped ribs on the side) there is a total of 7 ribs, as well as a few bubbles inside the glass. The embossing is very uniform throughout the piece. On the obverse is Abraham Lincoln with the phrase "WITH MALICE TOWARD NONE". On the reverse is a log cabin with a post split rail fence, with the phrase "WITH CHARITY FOR ALL". It has a smooth base(no noticeable pontil mark), and the lip seems to have been cut or ground off. This is a very thick, heavy piece. The second one is approx. 7 1/2 inches high, 5 1/4 inches wide, and 3 1/2 deep. Aqua in color. This piece is thin and light. The seam is similar to the first flask. There is a total of 13 “ribs” on the side.On the obverse is a Bald Eagle with a sunburst behind the head perched upon an American shield, with branches below the shield. On the reverse is an American flag, with the phrase "FOR OUR COUNTRY." (YES, THERE IS A PERIOD AFTER THE WORD COUNTRY)It is loaded with flea bites. I have seen a pic of a repro(on eBay) and it was stated to be a repro, asking $125.00 for it. It was almost identical, except for the “divots" at the base of the neck on the shoulder. This has the same smooth base and lip as the first one. I have been told they are Coffin & Hay, Dyottville, Kensington, Knox-McKee, Lockport Glass Works, and Clevenger! What a range! Repro or not? If it is repro, any idea who did them? I think they are god aweful ugly, but if they are worth more than $20.00, I will keep them, otherwise they are getting pitched! Thank you!  Post #: 1

RE: Repro? - 6/20/2007 5:19:37 PM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline They sound like the Wheaton presidential series but I thought they were marked, Maybe there is a "Fake" pontil on the base. Are the round like a drum with a neck and luminecent? The second one did get repro'd by Clevenger. < Message edited by cowseatmaize -- 6/20/2007 5:27:18 PM > _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric If you love what your doing it might be illegal, so watch your back. (in reply to spidericecream) Post #: 2

RE: Repro? - 6/20/2007 6:54:28 PM    spidericecream   Posts: 6 Joined: 6/20/2007 From: Lindon, Colorado Status: offline No, not round, and not even a fake pontil, no marks of anykind, anywhere...here's a pic of the President Lincoln flask... Attachment (1) (in reply to cowseatmaize) Post #: 3

RE: Repro? - 6/20/2007 10:14:42 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2012 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline SPIDER...the Lincoln flask is an an authentic adaptation dating from about 1964 and was most likely issued during the Civil War Centennial.  It was possibly made by LE Smith Glass Company. These do show up on eBay occasionally... As for the Our Country flask...a pic would be more useful in Iding it. Clevenger Bros did make a repRo of this flask in assorted colors... being as yours is aqua - it may be an original. < Message edited by whiskeyman -- 6/20/2007 10:16:00 PM > _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc....and... Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to spidericecream) Post #: 4

RE: Repro? - 6/21/2007 9:35:53 AM    spidericecream   Posts: 6 Joined: 6/20/2007 From: Lindon, Colorado Status: offline Thanks so much Whiskeyman! I will definately pitch Prez. Lincoln. Here is a pic of the eagle/flag flask. Notice the "divot" at the shoulder...repro, huh? Who made it? $$? Should I pitch this one as well? Again, thank you. Attachment (1) (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 5

RE: Repro? - 6/21/2007 8:39:04 PM    sewellbottleman Posts: 295 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: offline spidericecream both bottles are reproductions.The lincoln flask was reportedly made in the early 1960s It is not a reproduction because no one made any attributable to Lincoln(McKearin and Wilson American Bottles & Flasks and their Ancestry)Its is just the fact it was made rather recently.The second bottle COFFIN AND HAY FOR OUR COUNNTRY is also a reproduction attributed to the Clevenger Brothers.Here is a link to a picture of two bottles from a live auction last April.http://www.rtam.com/bottlesandmore/cgi-bin/CATALL.CGI You will need to type in the search field bar COFFIN AND HAY scroll down and click on the pictures to the left to inlarge them.Both of these are originals.Hope this is helpful.  (in reply to spidericecream) Post #: 6

RE: Repro? - 6/22/2007 12:21:19 PM    spidericecream   Posts: 6 Joined: 6/20/2007 From: Lindon, Colorado Status: offline Here's the thing...Every single Clevenger example I have looked at, does NOT have the "divot/crease" that mine has. I am open to it being a repro, but I am not convinced it is Clevenger. Here is a closer pic of the "divot/crease" in the shoulder of it. Attachment (1) (in reply to sewellbottleman) Post #: 7

RE: Repro? - 6/22/2007 4:54:41 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2012 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline SPIDER..I noticed that too.. I looked at my examples and at others online and none attributed to Clevenger has that odd "divot." Does appear to otherwise be identical, with the additional exception of  : a longer neck on your flask. A puzzler, for sure. _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc....and... Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to spidericecream) Post #: 8

RE: Repro? - 6/22/2007 4:59:15 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2012 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline BTW...don't "toss" the Lincoln flask,,,It has value...under $20 but value nonetheless. Someone somewhere will want it. I 'd offer to take it off your hands, but I already have three... _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc....and... Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 9

RE: Repro? - 6/22/2007 6:52:31 PM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline It's odd, I'll agree. I read somewhere that even Clev-Bro had to have some of their stuff made for them, much in Czechoslovakia. This is a definate 5¢ worth. Either way, the neck is all wrong. _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric If you love what your doing it might be illegal, so watch your back. (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 10

RE: Repro? - 6/30/2007 9:14:37 AM    spidericecream   Posts: 6 Joined: 6/20/2007 From: Lindon, Colorado Status: offline Thank you everyone, for letting me pick your brains! I appreciate your 2, 5 and 10 cents worth, lol. We have established they are both repros. The blue one is definately a poser. Do you have any idea how hard it is to search for info on repros, that aren't Clevenger?! Anyways, thanks again. I guess I will stick them on eBay for a buck or two. Ugly things! Happy Digging! (in reply to cowseatmaize) Post #: 11

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