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Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/1/2011 2:37:08 PM    rraack   Posts: 98 Joined: 12/31/2009 Status: offline I wasn't planning on buying any bottles for a while, but I couldn't pass this one up. It's a large, fat 9 5/8", Dr. C. W. Robacks, Cincinnati O without the apostrophe. Super nice iron pontil, whittled and no staining inside or out and no signs of being been cleaned or polished. Only the slightest indication of faint wear scattered here and there, but not noticed due to the wonderful crudity. Attachment (1) Post #: 1

RE: Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/1/2011 2:40:09 PM    rraack   Posts: 98 Joined: 12/31/2009 Status: offline Another view Attachment (1) (in reply to rraack) Post #: 2

RE: Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/1/2011 2:42:13 PM    rraack   Posts: 98 Joined: 12/31/2009 Status: offline Side view with some Sun Attachment (1) (in reply to rraack) Post #: 3

RE: Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/1/2011 2:45:02 PM    rraack   Posts: 98 Joined: 12/31/2009 Status: offline Finally, the piece de resistance; the base with the iron pontil Attachment (1) (in reply to rraack) Post #: 4

RE: Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/1/2011 3:17:09 PM    bottle_head9 Posts: 1151 Joined: 4/3/2009 From: new england Status: offline Very nice bottle. (in reply to rraack) Post #: 5

RE: Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/1/2011 3:52:25 PM    rraack   Posts: 98 Joined: 12/31/2009 Status: offline Some of you may remember this GX-21 Pike's Peak flask, which I posted a thread on a short while back. Well I sold it recently and then as many of you probably know I sold the GXI-4 Pike's Peak flask to kungfufighter through the forum. I had sold one other lesser flask about a week ago and all together they helped to justify in my mind (probably not my wife's) buying this Robacks, which I did not even know about at the time of the other sales. At first I wished I hadn't sold the other two flasks as they were such great bottles. But now having acquired this bottle helped me to get over parting with the others. Interesting how things work out sometimes. (In the end I broke even with no money spent, but none gained either). It's exciting when you come across great bottles at a reasonable price; I simply can't resist! Attachment (1) (in reply to rraack) Post #: 6

RE: Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/2/2011 4:24:07 PM    georgeoj Posts: 714 Joined: 6/30/2007 From: Jonesville, Michigan Status: online A very nice bottle. I would have done the same thing without a doubt. The chance to buy a great bottle at a great price does not come every day. And, if you hesitate, the opportunity could be gone very quickly. George (in reply to rraack) Post #: 7

RE: Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/2/2011 9:31:02 PM    bottlekid76   Posts: 1244 Joined: 7/4/2010 From: Missouri Status: online That is a killer Roback's! I have an IP one as well, but mine has a lip chip. Hoping to upgrade it one day =) All the best, ~Tim _____________________________ ~ Always looking for colored pontiled sodas & Missouri bottles ~ Website: http://www.wix.com/chevelle_godsmack/bottlekid76 (in reply to georgeoj) Post #: 8

RE: Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/3/2011 11:04:52 PM    Jim Posts: 3633 Joined: 7/5/2005 From: Lewistown, PA Status: offline That's a beauty of a barrel. Great whittle, nice color and heavy iron = sweet.  ~Jim _____________________________ Preserving our buried history, one pit at a time. http://www.freewebs.com/lewistownbottles/index.htm (in reply to bottlekid76) Post #: 9

RE: Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/4/2011 12:33:55 AM    JOETHECROW Posts: 9807 Joined: 9/3/2005 From: Northwestern Pa. (Near scenic Lake Perfidy) Status: offline quote: ORIGINAL: rraack A real beauty for sure! _____________________________ Joe ``````````````````````````````````` In the woods we return to reason and faith. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooTyuRd9zSg&feature=related (in reply to rraack) Post #: 10

RE: Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/4/2011 1:49:52 AM    Plumbata Posts: 1658 Joined: 12/4/2007 Status: offline Those barrel bitters are extremely appealing and eye-catching even from a long distance. I like the fresh IP on the bottom Nice bottle, though I do like the history associated with the Pike's Peak flasks as well. I need to get one as a present for my father someday soon. _____________________________ Alterius non sit qui suus esse potest. Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper. - Thomas Jefferson (in reply to JOETHECROW) Post #: 11

RE: Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/4/2011 7:48:50 AM    Road Dog Posts: 2791 Joined: 6/9/2005 From: Clayton, North Carolina Status: offline Great looking bottle. Never had one, but always liked them. Maybe, one day. (in reply to Plumbata) Post #: 12

RE: Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/4/2011 7:54:16 AM    sandchip Posts: 1647 Joined: 9/1/2008 From: georgia Status: offline Great looking bottle.  Makes me miss the one I used to have.  Hang onto it! _____________________________ Jimbo (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 13

RE: Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/4/2011 8:05:32 AM    cowseatmaize Posts: 6472 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Eastern Northwest West Central area of Mass Status: online I've been very hesitant to comment on this because I don't want to sound the fool or sound offensive. I have to now so maybe I can learn. I have a problem with the IP. I do agree that it may be IP but I'm not sure about it's looks. To me it looks like like a skim coat of Bondo®. I have no idea why that would be done and that's why I'm asking. It's a terrific bottle. I'm just curious and fool or not, I'm asking. _____________________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati Eric (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 14

RE: Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/4/2011 9:13:05 AM    rraack   Posts: 98 Joined: 12/31/2009 Status: offline I understand why you might say that. Most iron pontils I see do not look like this one; they have the darker graphite appearance. The smooth base Robacks are configured very differently on the base and the iron pontiled ones I've seen all look similar to this one, but then I've only seen four. Someone here on the forum probably has a better answer than what I can offer. I can only speculate that it has to do with the physical make up of the particular iron deposit and that some deposits react differently to the moisture in the atmosphere over time. Can someone else shed some light on this question? (in reply to cowseatmaize) Post #: 15

RE: Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/4/2011 6:13:29 PM    tigue710 Posts: 4143 Joined: 7/11/2007 From: connecticut - nor cal Status: offline That is good question, logically we would have to assume as bottles have been both dug and found undug with both the red and blackish grey pontil that the mineral composition of whatever was used to empontil the bottle was different... _____________________________ •={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•= (in reply to rraack) Post #: 16

RE: Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/4/2011 7:51:26 PM    bottlekid76   Posts: 1244 Joined: 7/4/2010 From: Missouri Status: online Since Eric was talking about the pontil associated with this great example rraack has, I wanted to show mine to maybe help compare and to see the pontil it has. All the best, ~Tim [image] _____________________________ ~ Always looking for colored pontiled sodas & Missouri bottles ~ Website: http://www.wix.com/chevelle_godsmack/bottlekid76 (in reply to tigue710) Post #: 17

RE: Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/4/2011 9:08:19 PM    RED Matthews Posts: 2394 Joined: 8/2/2008 Status: offline Hello all you pontil people.   I started a post and got about half-way through it’s creation when I hit a wrong key and lost my work.  “Dar n Computers”.   Anyway, I have a blog for my homepage that was started a few years ago and I am still not satisfied enough to put it there.  I had listed some of the key book references and was just starting to discuss the various pontil marks when I lost it.  “Ba Humbug”.   My objective was to point out some information regarding the punty rod types and the contact material application that resulted in different pontil marks.  Ø      The punty rods were made different for many different size bottles and contact. The intent was to put the handle on a hot first stage bottle for the neck finish application; tooling or what ever had to be done while they used a handle to hold it.  Ø      The ends of the punty rod were designed for the job. And some were flat on the round end, domed to fit a bottom, tapered to fit a push-up, what ever was needed.  Ø      The working end of a punty rod was heated. so it wouldn’t shock cool the bottom of a bottle in the process.  I am sure they had them laid near or nearly in the glory hole to heat them.  Ø      The first thing they did was put an attaching paste on the contact end of the punty end, that they were going to use. This paste, as far as we know, was graphite, red lead, or white lead.    Ø      From there they had working wooden boxes in a line with segments that contained: sand, glass dust, glass chips, and powdered iron (from the machining of mold iron).   Ø      The paste coated rod was rolled or dipped in these materials depending on what the bottle maker liked to use or depending on what would hold the size of bottle he wanted a handle on.  Sometimes they just rolled the outside edge of the punty face to attach it to the bottle being made.    There just isn’t enough written about these methods.  I have visited the Corning Museum and obtained some help getting description of these methods being used, but the early bottle books didn’t spend much time covering such a mundane detail.  I hope this will help your understanding – from my limited knowledge.       RED Matthews < Message edited by RED Matthews -- 3/4/2011 9:11:05 PM > _____________________________ http://www.bottlemysteries.com/welcome/ (in reply to bottlekid76) Post #: 18

RE: Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/4/2011 9:56:19 PM    Steve/sewell Posts: 4295 Joined: 1/23/2010 Status: online They are a nice looking bottle congratulations.They make for a nice window bottle.I own one barrel bottle I found as a kid.It is exactly like yours minus the embossing (it is a plain paper label where your embossing is). _____________________________ Auf Wiedersehen (in reply to RED Matthews) Post #: 19

RE: Robacks Barrel with Iron Pontil - 3/4/2011 10:28:56 PM    rraack   Posts: 98 Joined: 12/31/2009 Status: offline Hey RED, I appreciate your informative post on the various punty rod types and contact material. (in reply to RED Matthews) Post #: 20

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