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S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/1/2011 10:06:35 PM    mr2real   Posts: 230 Joined: 7/26/2009 Status: offline I found this insulator at an antique store today. I bought because I knew that the threadless insulators are older than the threaded, and it was a great price $5. It's embossed on the front S. McKEE & Co. The insulator is chipped at all, but there is a white residue and a few small circular impact fractures that didn't chip off. I was wondering if there's an easy method for cleaning it without damaging the glass? Also, I'm curious as to rarity or value, I can't find a price online. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joe Attachment (1) Post #: 1

RE: S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/1/2011 10:09:48 PM    kwalker Posts: 731 Joined: 5/14/2010 From: Woodstown, NJ Status: offline If it's thread less, you basically stole that from the antique store  _____________________________ Looking for all Sea Isle City, NJ bottles!! (in reply to mr2real) Post #: 2

RE: S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/1/2011 10:10:17 PM    mr2real   Posts: 230 Joined: 7/26/2009 Status: offline Embossing on front- the "& Co." is very weakly embossed. Attachment (1) (in reply to mr2real) Post #: 3

RE: S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/1/2011 10:12:42 PM    Wheelah23 Posts: 4296 Joined: 8/9/2010 From: Glen Ridge, New Jersey Status: online If that is really threadless, I'd imagine you can multiply your investment by 1000... I don't know everything about insulators, but I know the threadless ones are worth an absolute ton, and are so rare that even damaged ones are worth a great deal of cash. I found a bit of relevant info, from this site. "Threadless glass telegraph line insulators (CD 731) marked "S.McKee & Co." were evidently produced in the Civil War period and immediately afterward (circa 1865-1875)." _____________________________ Looking for bottles from Glen Ridge, Montclair, Bloomfield, Orange, East Orange, West Orange, South Orange, and if I like 'em, any other bottles from Essex County NJ! Also Manahawkin NJ! Message me if you want to find them a new home. (in reply to kwalker) Post #: 4

RE: S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/1/2011 10:14:12 PM    mr2real   Posts: 230 Joined: 7/26/2009 Status: offline Here's the white stuff on the bottom. The whole piece looks rough and I would like it to see it shine. There's not any chips, but the insulator still doesn't look to great. Attachment (1) (in reply to mr2real) Post #: 5

RE: S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/1/2011 10:19:02 PM    Wheelah23 Posts: 4296 Joined: 8/9/2010 From: Glen Ridge, New Jersey Status: online That's sickness, caused by being buried in the ground. Strangely, I am sometimes able to wipe the kind of sickness on the inside of that insulator with my fingernail... The outside is beyond hope, except for tumbling, but that inside sickness might come off. And now I'm realizing I overshot the price on this one; I think it should still be worth considerably more than you paid for it, but not $5000, I think... A similar (but unembossed) one, in a nice color, on eBay According to this site... "This is one of the more common threadless styles, although still tough to find. This style was known as the "compromise" between the egg styles and hat styles that had previously been used. With the invention of threads CD 131 was made as a threaded version of this insulator." < Message edited by Wheelah23 -- 9/1/2011 10:21:43 PM > _____________________________ Looking for bottles from Glen Ridge, Montclair, Bloomfield, Orange, East Orange, West Orange, South Orange, and if I like 'em, any other bottles from Essex County NJ! Also Manahawkin NJ! Message me if you want to find them a new home. (in reply to mr2real) Post #: 6

RE: S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/1/2011 10:30:55 PM    mr2real   Posts: 230 Joined: 7/26/2009 Status: offline Yeah I seen the unembossed examples on eBay, not that amber one though. I was kind of thinking that site with blue example was referring to the unembossed examples as being "one of the more common threadless styles". I can't find any references to a price for an embossed example. I appreciate your help. (in reply to Wheelah23) Post #: 7

RE: S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/1/2011 11:03:16 PM    Bixel   Posts: 731 Joined: 8/30/2004 From: Strathroy, Ontario, Canada Status: offline Lists in the 2011 price guide at $400-$500 dollars..... but in that condition it would probably be worth more like 250-300 or so. _____________________________ Formerly : Insulators Rule! Kyle Collector of Insulators, Ontario marked bottles, railway memorabilia and signs of all sorts (in reply to mr2real) Post #: 8

RE: S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/1/2011 11:10:37 PM    carobran   Posts: 3344 Joined: 6/10/2011 From: Heart of Dixie Status: offline lime-away sometimes takes that inside sickness off,maybe not all,but some _____________________________ PROUD TO BE FROM THE SOUTH! (in reply to Bixel) Post #: 9

RE: S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/1/2011 11:27:16 PM    mr2real   Posts: 230 Joined: 7/26/2009 Status: offline That's great news!!! Is the BV for an unembossed CD-731 or embossed? Or does that even matter? The reason I'm asking is because I seen this website ( http://www.insulators.info/articles/fruitref.htm#McKEE ) that states "There are many non-embossed CD-731 types attributed to S. McKEE but only a few have been found with the embossing." (in reply to Bixel) Post #: 10

RE: S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/2/2011 12:05:13 AM    JOETHECROW Posts: 9807 Joined: 9/3/2005 From: Northwestern Pa. (Near scenic Lake Perfidy) Status: offline Real nice find... _____________________________ Joe ``````````````````````````````````` In the woods we return to reason and faith. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooTyuRd9zSg&feature=related (in reply to mr2real) Post #: 11

RE: S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/2/2011 12:21:54 AM    Bixel   Posts: 731 Joined: 8/30/2004 From: Strathroy, Ontario, Canada Status: offline The BV was for a McKee embossed 731 There are alot of unembossed CD 731s as well. I would disagree with "There are many non-embossed CD-731 types attributed to S. McKEE but only a few have been found with the embossing." There have been a fair number of S.McKee embossed CD 731s found. They are not as common as the unembossed CD 731s, but I think the info that "there have only been a few found with embossing" is probably very old. Looking at the prices of them that have actually sold in the past..... I think around 300 would be around the price for that piece. Maybe more on a good day. _____________________________ Formerly : Insulators Rule! Kyle Collector of Insulators, Ontario marked bottles, railway memorabilia and signs of all sorts (in reply to JOETHECROW) Post #: 12

RE: S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/2/2011 8:39:29 AM    appliedlips Posts: 3508 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline Very nice insulator, I think the quote was referring to the # of types found with that embossing. As Kyle stated, your insulator is not exceedingly rare but desirable. I think $300 is a little high in its condition. Congrats. Having it professionally cleaned, tumbled, is the only way to remove the sickness, don't waste your time with chemicals. < Message edited by appliedlips -- 9/2/2011 8:43:02 AM > _____________________________ LOOKING FOR PONTILLED OR EARLY SQUAT SODAS FROM HIGHLAND,ILLNOIS.. (in reply to Bixel) Post #: 13

RE: S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/2/2011 9:46:35 AM    Dansalata Posts: 1318 Joined: 10/18/2005 Status: offline THAT IS A NICE FIND...WTG....I HAD A CRANBERRY PURPLE CD700 THREADLESS I DUG...SOLD FOR OVER 3K ABOUT 7 YEARS AGO..WHENEVER SOMEONE FINDS A NICE INSULATOR BRINGS BACK THAT EXCITING MEMORY..THANKS _____________________________ DANSALATA (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 14

RE: S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/3/2011 6:15:53 PM    mr2real   Posts: 230 Joined: 7/26/2009 Status: offline I've managed to get off most of the sickness, but it still doesn't have much shine. Would it increase the value to have this piece tumbled or should I leave that up to a potential buyer? (in reply to Dansalata) Post #: 15

RE: S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/3/2011 6:21:47 PM    cyberdigger Posts: 12314 Joined: 11/29/2008 From: I 195 @ US 9, NJ USA Status: online That's a darn good question! (in reply to mr2real) Post #: 16

RE: S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/4/2011 6:03:16 PM    David Fertig   Posts: 693 Joined: 3/26/2010 Status: offline My opinion is about $125 to $150 or so. The condition hurts a lot. If you tumble it, you would have to cut it pretty good to get out all of the ding marks and then you would probably loose a lot of the embossing since it is faint to start. The fish-eye poses a problem. You could tumble it, then pop out that eye and do an epoxy repair. I'd probably let this one as is. If you had to pay someone to clean and repair it, you'd probably break even on this cost. (in reply to cyberdigger) Post #: 17

RE: S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/4/2011 7:20:41 PM    mr2real   Posts: 230 Joined: 7/26/2009 Status: offline I hope the condition didn't hurt the value that significantly. The first pictures served little justice, I've tried to clean it a little in the meantime. Here's the new and improved pictures. What exactly would this color be called? It has an iced blue appearance to me. Attachment (1) (in reply to David Fertig) Post #: 18

RE: S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/4/2011 7:22:09 PM    mr2real   Posts: 230 Joined: 7/26/2009 Status: offline It front of a light... Attachment (1) (in reply to mr2real) Post #: 19

RE: S.McKEE & Co Threadless Insulator CD-731 - 9/4/2011 8:46:01 PM    Brains   Posts: 801 Joined: 9/2/2006 From: Hilliard/columbus ohio Status: offline don't tumble it, it's fine in that condition (in reply to mr2real) Post #: 20

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