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SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/4/2008 9:57:50 PM    Flaschenjager Posts: 1136 Joined: 12/21/2002 From: Central Virginia - USA Status: offline Hey folks - It's been a good while since I've added a bit on something I've dug. A buddy and I headed out last Sunday looking for some new digging areas. We stopped at this place first and jogged back to my truck for some tools. The photo won't look much to everyone here, but believe me these early shards are from local variations listed in my books as 'extremely rare' and 'only one known'. Many of these would have had some hefty value just because of their color. This was from a construction site and I doubt anything will be found whole, but I couldn't leave these clues behind either. I have bags of shards, but took a photo of a few cleaned up. No aquas in this early spot. It's hard to tell from this bad pic, but there in the center bottom is a shard from a light cobalt historical flask. I haven't looked it up yet. All I know is that it has an embossed bird on it. Now it's time for some whole ones. Attachment (1) < Message edited by Flaschenjager -- 9/4/2008 10:12:32 PM > _____________________________ 'Meech' Our websites: http://mysite.verizon.net/flaschenjager/bottles.html Member of FOHBC - RABCA - APBCA Editor of 'The Digger' in full color! Please support the forums with a donation or purchase! Post #: 1

RE: SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/4/2008 10:26:39 PM    poisons4me Posts: 386 Joined: 12/18/2005 From: New York,Galway Status: offline Very nice,thats a dump you would love to find a few whole ones in. Good luck. _____________________________ Always buying and trading poisons,stoneware and blobs. Check out my website http://www.ricksbottleroom.com/index.htm (in reply to Flaschenjager) Post #: 2

RE: SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/5/2008 8:08:46 AM    E   Posts: 171 Joined: 5/9/2008 Status: offline Meech, I'd rather search an area like this that has low potential for yielding classic glass than dig a TOC dump full of dinks (no offense meant to TOC diggers- I dig these dumps whenever I find 'em and I enjoy the dig).  Those were some beauties - I have only been fortunate enough to find a few intact local IPs.  I was thinking that some of those pieces look to have come from M. McCormack bottles - here's the only one that I have left in my collection (the other is currently missing in action): Attachment (1) (in reply to Flaschenjager) Post #: 3

RE: SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/5/2008 8:23:44 AM    FloridaDigger   Posts: 55 Joined: 8/21/2008 Status: offline Wow; ..old, great color, impressive, ...wish we had stuff like that in Fla. would be worth a small fortune as stuff that old with color other than aqua does not exist here, ..I am jealous of the variety, color, age, quantity, of the northern stuff, VERY nice (especially when whole). droooolllll (in reply to E) Post #: 4

RE: SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/5/2008 8:36:54 AM    E   Posts: 171 Joined: 5/9/2008 Status: offline NORTHERN??? Why sir, we are talking about Richmond, Virginia.  I consider anything above the Rappahannock River to be "northern." How many local blob sodas and beers do you find down that way?  I am guessing that Tampa and Key West would have some very old locals - also thinking they would be hard to find.  Show me some pics - would love to see more of your florida stuff. (in reply to FloridaDigger) Post #: 5

RE: SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/5/2008 9:04:20 AM    FloridaDigger   Posts: 55 Joined: 8/21/2008 Status: offline Well; ..I guess mid-way point; not Northern, is a better choice?, but definitly not southern. Did not mean to insult; ..just the first word that came to mind. Florida does have a few blob soda's from Jax, Pensacola, and a few others, extremely limited, and none with color other than aqua to my knowledge(maybe 1 or 2). A very few colored meds (even in amber). A Florida collection in 99% clear and aqua. I posted a pic of my aqua Florida soda's in my basement about a week ago; ...all my clear/purple/SCA stuff is in the windows of my house to help the SCA process, I dont beleive in irradiating bottles, must be natural. The only amber meds I have are W.D. Jones from Jax., very few (about 5-6) in aqua(Tampa's). Most Tampa bottles are fairly common (altough most Fla bottles are not common compared to other states quantites). All Key West stuff in uncommon, very desirable, and not very plentiful. Fla. is definitly lacking in the color, age, cool bottle category. (in reply to E) Post #: 6

RE: SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/5/2008 10:29:48 AM    E   Posts: 171 Joined: 5/9/2008 Status: offline Me not insulted, I'm a transplanted Kentucky boyeee.  I gotta tell you that alot of Richmond natives would turn a backflip at the "northern" thing though.  My wife's dad calls me a yankee (and he means it) - since he doesn't consider Kentucky to be southern enough.  I suppose I am lucky to be where I am, as we do have great local blobs and a large number of sweet imports (I find many nice Pa bottles in particular).  But when I look at these privy dig reports from folks above the Mason-Dixon I too am jealous of the large number/variety of blobs these folks have. Natural amethyst glass is common but is about my favorite shade.  I too would never artificially enhance bottle color - it looks like crap to me.  One thing that's missing from my collection is an amethyst blob soda, gotta be one out there...  (in reply to FloridaDigger) Post #: 7

RE: SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/5/2008 12:06:03 PM    downeastdigger Posts: 1387 Joined: 8/22/2005 From: Crawling through the mud and briars of Eliot Maine Status: offline Wow, those would have been awesome. It looks like someone got mad and smashed their bottle collection! _____________________________ Bram Get busy diggin, or get busy dyin' http://www.GreatBayCatering.com (in reply to Flaschenjager) Post #: 8

RE: SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/5/2008 1:58:33 PM    Staunton Dan   Posts: 346 Joined: 5/5/2005 Status: offline   "I was thinking that some of those pieces look to have come from M. McCormack bottles - here's the only one that I have left in my collection (the other is currently missing in action)" Meech, Those would have been some great ones and hopefully you'll find a whole one or two in there. Here's an IP Richmond McCormack that I found this past spring. The pic on left shows it still in the ground. Except for lots of scratches it is perfect. Attachment (1) < Message edited by Staunton Dan -- 9/5/2008 2:00:20 PM > (in reply to E) Post #: 9

RE: SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/5/2008 3:46:05 PM    E   Posts: 171 Joined: 5/9/2008 Status: offline Dan, That's an absolutely breathtaking photo - and a classic McCormack.  For some reason I am cursed never to find cobalt sodas/squats, I find teals, greens, olives and other shades but have never found an intact cobalt.  My other McCormack was deep teal, the one in my photo is a light olive/teal color. Somewhere some lucky dog has an entire box full of my best bottles (many local flasks, whiskeys, beers, sodas).  When I finally brought my collection out from storage after 8 years in mothball I finally discovered the loss.  The box somehow got misplaced during our move to current house - oh the pain... (in reply to Staunton Dan) Post #: 10

RE: SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/5/2008 9:57:25 PM    Staunton Dan   Posts: 346 Joined: 5/5/2005 Status: offline I don't find a lot of early sodas here in Staunton and was fortunate that one of the few was a cobalt McCormack. This one is easy to date because he was only in Richmond from 1852 - 1858. Here are 2 later sodas that I found that are a little more common but were fun to find. The Keller from Charlottesville on the left is a Baltimore loop and the blob top Duffield from Richmond on the right would have been a nice one but it has a chunk missing from the bottom. Attachment (1) < Message edited by Staunton Dan -- 9/5/2008 9:58:26 PM > (in reply to E) Post #: 11

RE: SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/5/2008 10:32:56 PM    77waystodeal3   Posts: 87 Joined: 9/4/2008 Status: offline SWEET..nice find (in reply to Staunton Dan) Post #: 12

RE: SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/5/2008 10:55:49 PM    Flaschenjager Posts: 1136 Joined: 12/21/2002 From: Central Virginia - USA Status: offline Dan - Those are both good bottles. The Duffield is rare compared to a standard (blue) McCormack. _____________________________ 'Meech' Our websites: http://mysite.verizon.net/flaschenjager/bottles.html Member of FOHBC - RABCA - APBCA Editor of 'The Digger' in full color! Please support the forums with a donation or purchase! (in reply to 77waystodeal3) Post #: 13

RE: SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/5/2008 10:56:57 PM    Flaschenjager Posts: 1136 Joined: 12/21/2002 From: Central Virginia - USA Status: offline Okay maybe this will help --- My theory for this site is ...A pit or site containing these bottles, whether it was dug for a sidewalk, drain or other was relocated as fill or layering for a current and surfaced parking lot. The layers were obviously tamped and compacted and the bottles (halves, thirds or sections) were then broken in place. Most of these shards shown are embossed, with the exception of some bases and the tops. For more detail, I'll pinpoint some shards by numbers. Number 1 & 2 = Shows the typically found M. McCormacks from VA (earlier than the ones from TN); 3 & 4 = show the rarest shards. These are from the earliest McCormacks (in small fonts w/ arc on one side) and shown are the opposite side with ALE & PORTER over This Bottle Never Sold. These shards are in an unheard of olive amber. They had a tapered top, shown above and right of shard 4. Shard 5 = is a top that I carefully dug around that was sticking out of the dig. It's a dark emerald green and from a McCormack a lot like E's shown above. 6 = shows the embossing from this squat in an arc. 7 = shows a shard from one like 1 & 2 but in an olive green (a crazy color variant for these) color. Below number 7 are sections of a blue 'Motif of eagle with shield' soda (or water). 8 = shows an even darker variation of number 7. 9 = shows a brilliant teal base with a swirl of iron residue on only one side. 10 = is a shard from a historical flask in light blue, with tips of wings embossed. 11 = shows shards of a (crazy) light blue McCormack, just like 1 & 2. This site will probably never produce a whole example, but shards like this aren't normally dug, so I'm giving them a home. Attachment (1) < Message edited by Flaschenjager -- 9/5/2008 11:02:03 PM > _____________________________ 'Meech' Our websites: http://mysite.verizon.net/flaschenjager/bottles.html Member of FOHBC - RABCA - APBCA Editor of 'The Digger' in full color! Please support the forums with a donation or purchase! (in reply to Flaschenjager) Post #: 14

RE: SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/6/2008 10:12:08 AM    E   Posts: 171 Joined: 5/9/2008 Status: offline Meech, Nice work - I din't realize that nearly all shards were McCormacks - wowsers, what variety.  The other intact one that I once had was a teal color like #9.  Both of mine came from rivers, so show a bit of wear - but I am not complaining ('cept fer the fact that I caint find one of 'em).  Let me know if you want to scrub scouting mission tomorrow = I didn't think we were going to get quite this much rain!  I am still game - but then again I don't always have good sense...  If I don't hear from you I will see you around 7:00 AM at the spot. Dan the Duffield is very cool - even with dinged base: I have never seen/heard of this bottle.  (in reply to Flaschenjager) Post #: 15

RE: SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/6/2008 2:21:04 PM    Staunton Dan   Posts: 346 Joined: 5/5/2005 Status: offline Meech, Thanks for the work to put that post together. I agree with your theory. It almost makes you think that the McCormack bottler was nearby with as many shards as you found. I think that the pic is awesome but to think, if just a few were whole bottles? Mike & Meech, Thanks for the info on the Duffield. Didn't know that it was that rare. Do you think that there would still be an interest in it if sold the way it is? Even with part of the base missing, it stands up just fine and displays well. (in reply to E) Post #: 16

RE: SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/8/2008 12:11:17 AM    VirginiaDigger   Posts: 301 Joined: 5/10/2005 Status: offline Very nice post I really enloyed reading this one. Meech, What a heart breaker that is some killer color. (in reply to Staunton Dan) Post #: 17

RE: SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/9/2008 8:45:50 PM    annie44 Posts: 1136 Joined: 10/27/2005 Status: offline Would that Ale and Porter bottle have been a squat bottle - sort of like a "Stoddard" stubby, with nice heavy glass?   If whole, would that one have had an iron pontil? (in reply to Flaschenjager) Post #: 18

RE: SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/9/2008 9:55:44 PM    Flaschenjager Posts: 1136 Joined: 12/21/2002 From: Central Virginia - USA Status: offline Hi Cindy -  I have the base of one. Two sets of shards from the same side were found. They were IP bases. They are very thick and heavy. I wouldn't call them stubby though. I'll try to take a picture of the picture in the book soon, so you can get a better look. I may be a few days before I can get one up, so patience - patience please. _____________________________ 'Meech' Our websites: http://mysite.verizon.net/flaschenjager/bottles.html Member of FOHBC - RABCA - APBCA Editor of 'The Digger' in full color! Please support the forums with a donation or purchase! (in reply to annie44) Post #: 19

RE: SUN - VA Nothing but color IPs - 9/11/2008 11:31:21 AM    E   Posts: 171 Joined: 5/9/2008 Status: offline Saw the box of shards (aka "box of shattered dreams") last nite in person at the local bottle club (RABCA) meeting:  heartbreaking, yet exhilirating to know that there are so many varieties of McCormacks IPs to be found!  The featured guest exhibited an incredible display of Richmond blobs including about 10 varieties of McCormacks.  I have found two intact ones in all my digging days and neither were quite like the sharded or the intact specimens displayed at the meeting.  Whoever this McCormack chap was I wish I could thank him for producing such a wide array of gorgeous bottles - its almost like he was thinking about us bottle collectors 150+ years ago.    Many thanks to Meech for inviting me to the meeting = great bunch of folks who actually share/understand my afflication.  Also many thanx for the Consumer Brewing Company stag bottle, I owe you one - wish I had a Halloran's Excelsior for ya...  (in reply to Flaschenjager) Post #: 20

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