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Small figural Monkey - 5/26/2011 1:59:07 PM   
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Hello All! I recently dug this in SF, and would love to hear your expert opinions. It is a Monkey, wearing a collar w/amulet, BIM with sand fired bottom, slightly concave, (no pontil), and appears to have a sheared lip, but the chips on the rim make it hard to determine. It is 2 3/4" tall and 1" wide. I thought it could be a candy bottle, but it seems too small. I know the Chinese used monkey parts to cure a variety of ailments, and I have seen early ads for chinese remedies from this area, so perhaps it is medicinal? Any help would be appreciated.




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RE: Small figural Monkey - 5/26/2011 2:46:06 PM   
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Hey Harry,

I am experiencing vision deficiencies on that monkey. Is he by chance striking Rodin's Thinker pose? Could'ya take better photos please. Please show the finish and the base.

I do love a nice monkey bottle. It could'a been a candy, cologne, or perhaps a nipper. I strongly doubt it is of Chinese origin.

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BIM with sand fired bottom, slightly concave, (no pontil)
You're losing me in the sand fired department. What sorta place are you digging? What else is coming out?


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RE: Small figural Monkey - 5/26/2011 3:14:29 PM   
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ya i'm having trouble vis-u-lizing it too.

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RE: Small figural Monkey - 5/26/2011 4:03:22 PM   
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Here is another pic. He is holding up his left paw. A sand fired base is found on bottles that were too small to pontil. They were set on sand while the lip is finished, and then held up to the furnace to smooth out. It looks and feels like orange peel




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RE: Small figural Monkey - 5/26/2011 4:05:28 PM   
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I forgot to say that the dig is in SF, CA. Almost all of the other material is from the 1850-1890's.

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RE: Small figural Monkey - 5/26/2011 6:12:19 PM   
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Hi Harry I think found your bottle in my book American Pressed Glass & Figure Bottles.I will type what is in the book.

Design patented on July 28 1874 by Chauncey C. Woodworth.
The written specifications for this figure bottle have long since
been lost at the Patent Office.The photographic illustration of the
bottle indicates that it once held coconut oil.The figure of a seated
monkey -with its arms folded across its chest,pop eyes,a long nose
sharp ears and an impish open-mouthed grin-sits on top of a short
pedestal which forms the base of the bottle.The neck of the bottle
comes out from the top of the monkeys head.No such bottle has
been reported,but we feel certain that some do exist,for obviously
at least one had to be made to pose for the photo illustration.

Now your bottle does look different but close,and you may have yourself a rare bottle Harry.
You also have to remember that after the patent is issued the bottle can still change as evidenced
by the Indian Queen Bitters,and the old homestead Bitters bottles in which each had quite a few changes.




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RE: Small figural Monkey - 5/26/2011 6:15:14 PM   
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There is a monkey face on your bottle.




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RE: Small figural Monkey - 5/26/2011 6:18:45 PM   
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Thanks, Steve! There are many similarities to mine in that example. The monkey is more lifelike in my example, and the bottle itself is rather crude. I appreciate you taking the time to help me out. I will have to see if our local library has a copy of the book. It sounds like a great reference guide.

Harry

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RE: Small figural Monkey - 5/26/2011 6:33:29 PM   
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Try to tell me you don't see some similarities.



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RE: Small figural Monkey - 5/26/2011 6:56:21 PM   
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The body looks like a dog body with a collar and dog tag. The face is a bit weird but it could be a pug dog.
A bit hard to tell in photos. It could be a malformed ape of some sort.

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RE: Small figural Monkey - 5/26/2011 9:37:03 PM   
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Hey Matt,

Glad I'm not alone in trying to visualize this monkey. I'm chalking it as had to have in hand with a high degree of difficulty of photographic capture.

Steve, is your book the 1964 edition? Old Chaucey C. was the heir of a family of Rochester perfumers.

"FRANK E. WOODWORTH.

Frank E. Woodworth, whose rare aptitude and ability for achieving results are being constantly manifest in his business career, is president of the C. B. Woodworth Sons Company. He has spent his entire life in Rochester, where he has so directed his labors as to gain recognition as one of the leading business men. The Woodworths are a pioneer family of Monroe county, arriving here in 1819. Spencer Woodworth, the grandfather of Frank E. Woodworth, removed from South Coventry, Connecticut, to western New York and settled
in the town of Gates, where he cleared and cultivated several hundred acres of land. His son, Chauncey B. Woodworth, was from early manhood a factor in the business life of Rochester and became the founder of the extensive perfume and extract manufacturing business now conducted under the name of the C. B. Woodworth Sons Company.

Frank E. Woodworth was born in this city in
1855 and has here remained to the present day. His education completed, he became his father's associate in his manufacturing interests. About the middle of the nineteenth century Chauncey B. Woodworth established business as a manufacturer of perfumes and extracts and for three years, from
1856 until 1859. conducted this enterprise in partnership with Reuben A. Bunnell.

After purchasing his partner's interest he was .alone in business until the admission of his son, Chauncey C. Woodworth. On attaining his majority. Frank E. Woodworth became connected with the business which, being continually developed along modern commercial lines, has grown to mammoth proportions. In 1893 the business was re-organized and incorporated under the name of the C. B. Woodworth Sons Company, and Frank E. Woodworth was chosen president and still remains at the head of the enterprise. His career has been that of an enterprising business man who is continually watchful of opportunities and puts forth effective effort in the execution of his well defined plans. With him as officers of the company are his son, Frank K. Woodworth, who is vice president, and his nephew, Charles C. Woodworth, who is secretary and treasurer. Their output includes perfumes, which are sold all over the United States, toilet powders, face washes, cold cream and other toilet preparations. All of the sons of C. B. Woodworth have at one time or another been connected with the firm which is one of the oldest establishments of this character in the United States, having had a continuous existence of more than a half century..." From History of Rochester and Monroe County, 1908.

I am seeing no resemblance between Chauncey's Monkey and Harry's. I see Connor's point with a side of Honey Bear...

Harry, will you give it another photo op? For the old blind guys?


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RE: Small figural Monkey - 5/26/2011 9:48:33 PM   
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quote:

Glad I'm not alone in trying to visualize this monkey. I'm chalking it as had to have in hand with a high degree of difficulty of photographic capture.


I couldn't have said that better myself.. in fact, I didn't.

Chinese origin is an obvious possibility, other than that, I can't figure out the representation. Any chance it got melted?

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RE: Small figural Monkey - 5/26/2011 9:58:23 PM   
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Is that ceramic? It looks near impossible for it to be glass blown in a mold. I do have a ceramic or porcelain monkey that looks like that one with a hole in the top for something

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RE: Small figural Monkey - 5/26/2011 10:18:49 PM   
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I think I've done the best I can with my little camera. Stain on the inside is preventing an easy shot. The best way to see a monkey face is to compare the "Planet of the Apes" pic with mine, as did Wheelah23. The face is eerily similar. The rest of the figure is seated, right arm down, left arm up touching collar, and the tail is wrapping around and the tip of the tail is seen on the bottom right, between my fingers. I'll try and post a better pic soon.


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RE: Small figural Monkey - 5/26/2011 10:42:00 PM   
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That almost looks like a bell on the collar, something common to hang on animals back then.
Its a very good idea to keep monkeys from sneaking up behind you.

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RE: Small figural Monkey - 5/26/2011 10:43:44 PM   
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Its a very good idea to keep monkeys from sneaking up behind you.


We usually learn the hard way..

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RE: Small figural Monkey - 5/26/2011 11:05:18 PM   
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Reminds me of one of those little reeses monkees, like the ones the organ grinders had. They wore a little red hat, ran around stealing things.
Or am I extremely tired and need sleep????

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RE: Small figural Monkey - 5/26/2011 11:06:23 PM   
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Good call on the bell on the collar. I was wondering why a monkey had jewelry. Perhaps he's a Gingrich monkey?

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RE: Small figural Monkey - 5/26/2011 11:35:55 PM   
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I think you're spot-on.

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RE: Small figural Monkey - 5/27/2011 8:31:37 AM   
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I think organ grinder monkeys were traditionally capuchin monkeys

is this your critter?



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