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The real deal? - 9/23/2010 7:01:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		So, I went thrift store shopping today and found this free-blown vase/bottle for $1. I am convinced that this is an early free-blown bottle, but I wanted to have some opinions from you guys just to make shure. It is about 9-10 in. tall with an open pontil scar, which has some iron remnants adheared to it ( not enough glass on the pontil rod?). It is light for its size, with thousands of bubbles and a bunch of pot stones. The bottle is very crude with a flared lip, crooked ( and off-center with the base) neck, and a kickup. It has a little base wear and is rather bumby to the touch. The only unfortunate thing is that this vase/bottle has 4 small spider cracks in various areas around its widest points, although they are somewhat diffacult to see.
Opinions wanted please, Thank you!
Michael




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RE: The real deal? - 9/23/2010 7:02:10 PM   
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RE: The real deal? - 9/23/2010 10:27:19 PM   
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RE: The real deal? - 9/23/2010 11:11:53 PM   
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RE: The real deal? - 9/24/2010 7:30:13 AM   
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@ Cyberdigger
Yes, the bottle has a strangly large amount of bubbles. However, as I said in my first post, there are a bunch of potstones mixed in and I'd find it odd if a modern piece would contain so many (or any at all).

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RE: The real deal? - 9/24/2010 7:47:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		       It is very common for modern, especially mexican pieces to have an excessive amounts of bubbles & potstones in them in an attempt to appear old but most of the time are a dead giveaway of them being new."Old" tableware and glass other than bottles generally are of superior quality when compared to bottles and are not often found with many bubbles or inclusions. I would call  it artglass and not a genuinely old utilitarian piece of glass.

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RE: The real deal? - 9/24/2010 10:33:13 AM   
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It is very common for modern, especially mexican pieces to have an excessive amounts of bubbles & potstones in them in an attempt to appear old but most of the time are a dead giveaway of them being new."Old" tableware and glass other than bottles generally are of superior quality when compared to bottles and are not often found with many bubbles or inclusions. I would call it artglass and not a genuinely old utilitarian piece of glass.


I agree with this statement. 19th century glass makers worked very hard to produce high quality glass items free of stones and other imperfections. It was an art and skill that took years to master. The crudest items we see from the period were probably the pieces the glass blowers were trying to avoid making. The "Mexican" glass blowers of today include a lot of junk in the glass to deceive the untrained eye. Although some of the newer pieces may be attractive, their a far cry from period tableware and other glassware. I've got a few examples I may be able to get photos of. I just have to pull them out of a box somewhere.

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The crudest items we see from the period were probably the pieces the glass blowers were trying to avoid making.


I was actually talking to Jennifer about this yesterday. It's funny that the companies that were the least successful obviously produced a relatively small number of bottles, making them more desirable today. Much like super crude examples of bottles are more sought after then really clean ones. That means the guy who got fired for making crappy bottles actually did a better job of making collectible art pieces then the guy who dedicated his life to making super clean and perfect bottles. We push those aside to grab the hammered bottle with the crooked neck and super drippy top. Kinda funny to me, but I'll take crude over perfect any day too.

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RE: The real deal? - 9/24/2010 12:30:28 PM   
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RE: The real deal? - 9/24/2010 12:41:24 PM   
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RE: The real deal? - 9/24/2010 1:05:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I commonly see that kind of glass in a variety of colors in the antique malls here in south Texas, usually priced under $10.

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RE: The real deal? - 9/24/2010 1:59:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jays emporium

I commonly see that kind of glass in a variety of colors in the antique malls here in south Texas, usually priced under $10.

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RE: The real deal? - 9/24/2010 2:31:54 PM   
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this is an early free-blown bottle,


"early" is a relative term. I'm assuming you mean "early" as in early 19th century/late 18th century?
I am certainly not an expert on early glass. I'll just give you some things to think about.
I would recommend rather than looking at things like base wear or how crude the glass is first concentrate on the form and utility of the piece.
Is the form comparable to other items of the suspected period? What would the item be used for? Does it have good utility for its intended purpose (ie .. can it be properly sealed, is the handle strong enough, is it balanced standing up, ..etc)? Is it an item people of that time would have used? Does it show skill and craftmanship typical of the period?

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RE: The real deal? - 9/25/2010 6:32:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you all for your responses! It aparently is not as old as I suspected. Oh well, at least I didn't get burned, $1 is not a lot of money.....
   Michael

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