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Took a risk on this one - 12/30/2011 4:26:42 PM   
Blackglass

 

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Status: offline 		I went to a few antique shops today, there were so many good deals I wish I had the money to get everything! Anyhow, I have several questions regarding the big purchase today.


1. What is the appr. age of this bottle? I was guessing 1700's-early 1800's. It is free blown & pontiled, and very river-worn.
2. What did this type of bottle contain?
3. This bottle has a very unusual pontil, in my books. It isn't sharp and looks like a ring. Is there a name for this type?

4. The big question: What is with the lip? I'm really confused, it looks like it is chipped up, but on closer inspection, it looks almost like it was made this way. It all is reatively smooth, but...I don't know, maybe a type of finish? I've included a whole bunch of photos, what do you think? If I had my camera with me at the time, I would have photographed it and got you guy's input, but the store is quite a ways away and I just went for it.



5. I don't normally ask, but was $40 a good price for this....Thing?

Also, I found a nice blobtop for $5. You just never know...



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RE: Took a risk on this one - 12/30/2011 5:06:10 PM   
Bottles r LEET

 

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Status: offline 		Hey Blackglass,
I can't guarantee it, but it looks like it was ground down. It might have been chipped when the person found it. I have a bottle with a similar lip HERE.

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RE: Took a risk on this one - 12/30/2011 7:34:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm thinking the lip was chipped many years ago and worn that way by sand or wherever it was submerged/buried...Neat old bottle.

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RE: Took a risk on this one - 12/30/2011 7:38:55 PM   
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Status: online 		Almost looks like a bottle that came out of the water that was in a sandy area possibly.

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RE: Took a risk on this one - 12/30/2011 7:44:02 PM   
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Status: online 		I ain't in no mood to get off my duff and grab a book off the shelf, but I seem to recall (accuracy warning) those elongated mallet style bottles to have been popular in the early 1800's. They contained wine usually.. the lip looks like the result of a meeting of indecisive exec's..

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RE: Took a risk on this one - 12/31/2011 11:33:25 AM   
Blackglass

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks everyone! Do you think this bottle could still bring what I payed for it, even with the condition it's in?



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RE: Took a risk on this one - 12/31/2011 12:00:28 PM   
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Status: online 		I wouldn't pay that much for it. Someone else may, but I believe they are commonly found by divers, as yours definitely was.

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RE: Took a risk on this one - 12/31/2011 6:51:47 PM   
Picklejar

 

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Status: offline 		It's a neat bottle, but you should never pay more than your comfortable if the bottle is A. damaged, B. slick. Both of these factors, lead to the "used car" problem. Once you take the car off the lot, it devalues right away. In this case, you have purchased a bottle from a shop, where the guy is trying to pay his bills with a size-able markup, and he sold you a damaged item. If you love it, great. But if your talking investment wise, it's gonna be a hard sell to the next collector, for profit. It is a nice old piece of glass, no matter what, so enjoy it! Be wary of antique shops in general, IMHO.---Joe

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RE: Took a risk on this one - 12/31/2011 9:23:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice ol' piece of glass, but it just doesn't look pontilled to me.

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RE: Took a risk on this one - 1/1/2012 4:29:37 PM   
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Status: online 		Hi Blackglass,  I copied the pontil picture but I couldn't find a name for it.  It is different though..  If you decide to sell it let me know - seeing it in hand might help with explanation.  RED Matthews

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RE: Took a risk on this one - 1/1/2012 4:36:24 PM   
div2roty

 

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Status: offline 		Plenty of good buys at antique shops, people just have to look around.  I've listed bottles on ebay and had it sell for twice what I was asking for in the store.  I've sold lots of bottles at shows for the exact amount I would have sold them for in the store.

Basically, what I tell my customers is an item is worth it if you like it.  If you plan on sitting the bottle on a shelf and enjoying it for several years than it is well worth what you paid for it.  However, if you bought it with the intention of listing it online and selling it for 3 times what you paid for it, then it probably was a bad buy.  Value, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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RE: Took a risk on this one - 1/1/2012 4:50:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Picklejar

Be wary of antique shops in general, IMHO.---Joe


Huh?!


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RE: Took a risk on this one - 1/1/2012 6:22:57 PM   
Picklejar

 

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Status: offline 		My issue with a shop is that any time four walls are put around that bottle, the price goes up. That's a fact of life, and thats ok. I'm accustomed to digging, knowing diggers, and really making a life of scouring outdoor markets. I get the bottles I want for a fraction of the price. Usually, they are mud covered, just how I like 'em! I have been turned off most shops by owners who do not price realistically, and then refuse to negotiate. This includes situations where the bottles were badly damaged, and they just could not see that being a reason for devaluing a blob top. Maybe I'm crazy, but I say cut out the middle man! I do not intend to offend, just my opinion. ---Joe

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RE: Took a risk on this one - 1/1/2012 6:39:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		A good value is a good value whether one finds an object at a shop, show, auction, tag sale, etc.  As in any endeavour, if one is hoping to buy bottles low and sell high he or she should be armed with knowledge and make decisions based upon that knowledge, not on the venue in which an object is found. 


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RE: Took a risk on this one - 1/1/2012 6:46:46 PM   
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RE: Took a risk on this one - 1/1/2012 6:49:15 PM   
Picklejar

 

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Status: offline 		Perhaps....perhaps, or maybe it was due to the fact that his shoes were two sizes too small foe his feet? hmm? ---Joe

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RE: Took a risk on this one - 1/1/2012 6:51:32 PM   
Picklejar

 

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Status: offline 		But seriously, I don't own an antique store so I guess the thought of working around one doesn't bother me. That's all. Don't wanna hijack this gentleman's thread any longer, so truce? For now? --Joe

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RE: Took a risk on this one - 1/1/2012 7:18:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can we have a truce if there is not a fight?  Just trying to point out that a good bottle is a good bottle no matter how its found.  Sadly for the OP, he did probably overpay for the bottle in question but that's not the shop owner's fault:)  Chalk it up to experience and get 'em the next time.

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RE: Took a risk on this one - 1/1/2012 7:33:52 PM   
div2roty

 

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Status: offline 		There is an additonal cost associated with every bottle you buy or dig.  At shows, even flea markets, there are booth costs.  Although they are pretty minimum, but there is a lot of time involved, and potentially travel costs and hotel costs as well.

I edit books part time for $11-15 an hour, so every time I go dig or hunt a flea market, or sell at a flea market, I am giving up that money.  Now when I sell or find something, technically that cost is added in. 

Now digging is a great way to get bottles, but their is time and effort involved, and honestly there are times I'd rather pay for someone's overhead and profit for them than spend all that time and effort.

Like Jeff said, good deals are good deals. 

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RE: Took a risk on this one - 1/1/2012 10:53:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: div2roty

There is an additonal cost associated with every bottle you buy or dig.  At shows, even flea markets, there are booth costs.  Although they are pretty minimum, but there is a lot of time involved, and potentially travel costs and hotel costs as well.

I edit books part time for $11-15 an hour, so every time I go dig or hunt a flea market, or sell at a flea market, I am giving up that money.  Now when I sell or find something, technically that cost is added in. 

Now digging is a great way to get bottles, but their is time and effort involved, and honestly there are times I'd rather pay for someone's overhead and profit for them than spend all that time and effort.

Like Jeff said, good deals are good deals. 


I have always gotten a kick out of people who think that just because you dug something that you got it for free. I know I spend about $3000 a year on gas alone to go digging. Add in tools, tolls, the occasional $20 bucks to a crack head to let us dig behind his house. and I'm sure you can tack on another $1000. I could buy a few pretty nice bottles for $4000 a year. But I love the hunt and all the extra little things you find in the process and all the great people I have dug with and interesting homeowners we have met make for just a great fun time. Some of the stories I have are priceless. I just couldn't buy this kind of entertainment at any price.

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