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Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/11/2004 5:43:13 AM    treasurehunt   Posts: 310 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Dearborn, Michigan Status: offline Well, the ground is almost unfrozen and time to go to my new bottle dump I found. It is next to a 1860's town.The question is how to dig into a 15 foot wall of bottles, glass , ash and tree roots, is it best to start at the top or bottom. the size is about the size of a football field I think. I also have a picture of some bottles I picked up near the surface, I think there from the 30's or 40's. Attachment (1) < Message edited by treasurehunt -- 3/25/2004 10:21:29 AM > Post #: 1

RE: Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/11/2004 5:51:23 AM    treasurehunt   Posts: 310 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Dearborn, Michigan Status: offline Here is picture #1 of the dump. Attachment (1) < Message edited by treasurehunt -- 3/25/2004 10:15:14 AM > (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 2

RE: Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/11/2004 6:04:23 AM    treasurehunt   Posts: 310 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Dearborn, Michigan Status: offline Here is picture #2 of dump. [ Attachment (1) < Message edited by treasurehunt -- 3/25/2004 10:18:46 AM > (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 3

RE: Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/11/2004 6:11:06 AM    treasurehunt   Posts: 310 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Dearborn, Michigan Status: offline Here is a close-up of the dirt/ash at site. Attachment (1) < Message edited by treasurehunt -- 3/25/2004 10:24:50 AM > (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 4

RE: Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/11/2004 6:49:58 AM    IRISH   Posts: 1238 Joined: 11/23/2002 From: cockatoo Australia Status: offline Only one way to dig any large tip (for me anyhow), dig a big hole (it's safer and more easy than a small one) mark it out and dig out a foot or so at a time, go down to the very bottom of it and then dig in from there depending on what the tip looks like and your energy . Good luck, I hope you get some good one's . (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 5

RE: Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/11/2004 9:05:09 AM    Maine Digger   Posts: 823 Joined: 2/4/2004 From: Augusta, Maine Status: offline This looks like the one I stumbled across a couple of years ago when I was looking for stray golf balls for my shag bag before the season opened here in Maine. My find was also 'virgin', but hadn't been used in over a century. Irish is correct, pick a managable sized spot and work it till you exhaust it, mark it and move on. I worked my dump all summer, and went back the following year and found a few stragglers which included some nice cures. Good luck! _____________________________ Norm Miller (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 6

RE: Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/11/2004 10:51:44 AM    kawdog   Posts: 192 Joined: 10/22/2003 From: Ruston Louisiana Status: offline When I am faced with a large area to dig such as yours, I like dig awhile in one spot and then jump to another. Of course if I am finding some nice bottles I spend a little more time in an area. The reason I move around is to try to find out any patterns regarding age. I have noticed some areas of the dump I am digging now have more whole bottles while others have almost none, everything is broken. So far the age has remained fairly consistant. No matter how you dig it I am sure it is going to be a blast, wish I could help kaw (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 7

RE: Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/11/2004 11:48:47 AM    treasurehunt   Posts: 310 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Dearborn, Michigan Status: offline Does anyone know anything about that baseball jar shown in my bottle picture, I think it's neat looking, to bad the top of it is broken off. (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 8

RE: Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/11/2004 6:10:13 PM    woody   Posts: 1657 Joined: 10/29/2002 From: Gilmanton, New Hampshire Status: offline When I dig a large dump like this on an embankment, I start at the bottom and work my way up. It only makes sense to discard the waste behind you as you work your way up the hill. It looks like a newer dump from what you have shown to us, although you may find an older area. _____________________________ Woody (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 9

RE: Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/13/2004 9:51:45 PM    leebran20 Posts: 84 Joined: 2/18/2004 From: Honolulu, Hawaii Status: offline Woody is right: start from the bottom of the slope, dig through the trash layer until you get to "original ground,"and continue going straight up the slope in this way. When you get to the top after clearing out however wide an area you've chosen to on your first trek up the slope, go back to the bottom -- I'd suggest right next to it, if your first path was good -- and begin again. What I've found in digging these types of dumps is that the older stuff is often clustered deep at the top, but you don't want to cheat yourself of some of the goodies that may have rolled down by immediately digging into the top and throwing all of your dirt/ash into a pile on top of what is below. If this place is virgin and you have the time, you will be well rewarded with everything good by methodically starting from the bottom. And don't be discouraged by the ABM stuff you've found on the surface; there may be a good amount of blown stuff below regardless, especially if the nearby area is 1860s. Good Luck! Brandon (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 10

RE: Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/13/2004 10:08:40 PM    Maine Digger   Posts: 823 Joined: 2/4/2004 From: Augusta, Maine Status: offline I don't know about the rest of you, but when I get into a site like this I like to pick a spot to make a good size hole to toss brokens and 'trash' into. I cover it over with about 6-12'' of dirt, I'm always afraid a kid or animal will come along otherwise and step on some shard of glass I may have unearthed. My motto is to leave it better than I found it. The owners of the property appreciate it and you can use them as refrences when approaching others in the area. Just a thought! _____________________________ Norm Miller (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 11

RE: Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/13/2004 11:29:53 PM    treasurehunt   Posts: 310 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Dearborn, Michigan Status: offline I went out to my bottle dump for 2 hours and started my dig at the base of one of the sides. I found about a dozen hole abm bottles, but the more I dig the larger this dump seems, how can you dig up a hill when the bottle/ash layer is 15 to 20 feet tall? (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 12

RE: Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/15/2004 2:13:39 PM    leebran20 Posts: 84 Joined: 2/18/2004 From: Honolulu, Hawaii Status: offline Did not realize the entire hillside is bottles through to flat ground (which is what I take you mean after reading your latest); thought might have been situation where bottles were dumped from above in old days, down a slope that was already there. If I were you, my plan would still be to start from the bottom. If the layer is 15 ft. at its deepest, at least all of it will be in front of you and you don't have to worry about your back if you start at the bottom. Brandon (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 13

RE: Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/15/2004 3:22:16 PM    Maine Digger   Posts: 823 Joined: 2/4/2004 From: Augusta, Maine Status: offline 15 - 20 feet of ash? How long has this dump been there?! And it's as big as a football field, you'll be there for the next 5 years! lol. I concur with Woody & Leebran, start from the bottom and make your way across the slope. It might help to state out a dig grid on a site this large. _____________________________ Norm Miller (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 14

RE: Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/17/2004 7:01:49 AM    treasurehunt   Posts: 310 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Dearborn, Michigan Status: offline Yes, There's large large tree's growing out of the ash/dump. How stable are most ash/bottle dumps? could I go in the middle and dig down 15 to 20 feet 6' x 6' square just like a privy? (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 15

RE: Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/17/2004 9:51:45 AM    Maine Digger   Posts: 823 Joined: 2/4/2004 From: Augusta, Maine Status: offline I wouldn't suggest attempting to dig a hole like that in your site unless you're digging your own gravesite! lol? Seriously, most privys are or were lined with wood or brick,rock and are a lot more stable. The area as you describe it seems to be fairly loose soil, so the walls would likely cave on you. Also bring a partner along if you plan on digging to any depth in a confined space, you wouldn't want some future digger to come across your bones 50 years from now! lol _____________________________ Norm Miller (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 16

RE: Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/17/2004 11:18:11 PM    Bluegrass   Posts: 84 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: offline It's also possible to get too mental about these things. After all, if you just start at the base where the layer is at its thinnest and work your way up, you will discover just how deep the ash layer is--instead of guessing. I would guess that a lot of what you're looking at is natural slope and that the ash layer may be shallower than you think. Still...you can only wrap your head around a thing so much; once you really get into it with a shovel, you will be able to make some better calculations. You should know when you're getting in over your head--excuse the pun-- and need to exercise caution. Just dig a nice test-trench and then report back with your findings or if you think there's a problem that needs to be addressed. Good luck! Wish I had something like that to explore right now. (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 17

RE: Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/22/2004 9:51:41 AM    treasurehunt   Posts: 310 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Dearborn, Michigan Status: offline I went to my bottle dump for about 3 hours & gug out about 50 bottles, mostly stuff from the 30's & 40's. I continued digging into the side of the bottle mountain (it's starting to look like a mine entrance!) 10feet in and 7 feet high. Dug up a couple of small ink bottles, along with 3 or 4 nice green bottles also something that looks like the glass from inside of a old thermos. Me being new to bottle digging they are all neat, checking the back marks even if the are worthless. I do need some help on one bottle I found [see picture] I looks like a milk bottle, on the side the embosed words BIRELEYS goes around twice. It also says DETROIT MICH. on it. Does anybody have any info on this bottle or any possile value. Thanx for all your help!!!!! (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 18

RE: Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/22/2004 9:53:48 AM    treasurehunt   Posts: 310 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Dearborn, Michigan Status: offline Here's the picture of the milk bottle. Attachment (1) < Message edited by treasurehunt -- 3/25/2004 10:34:03 AM > (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 19

RE: Treasurehunt's virgin bottle dump - 3/22/2004 12:06:27 PM    Maine Digger   Posts: 823 Joined: 2/4/2004 From: Augusta, Maine Status: offline Hi Treasurhunt - That Birleys isn't a milk, it's a soda bottle. If you could clean it up and post a clearer picture it would help. I ran a search and there's a juke box dealer who lists the birleys along with old Hires and cokes. It's not real old, only 40 years or so, but evidently there's a market for it. I think you're on to a fun dig site, eventually you might get into the origins, but in the meanwhile finds like the birleys make it interesting _____________________________ Norm Miller (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 20

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