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Turlington Bottle - 2/28/2005 6:31:48 AM    redbrass_ca   Posts: 133 Joined: 11/30/2004 Status: offline Hi there! I have one Turlington bottle in my collection. I found it on a dig many years ago. I haven't seen to many between the various avid collectors in our part of the world. However I am told there is a wide variety of them out there. Does anyone know more about them and are they quite common in your neck of the woods. What would be the value of this specimen Thanks Thierry Attachment (1) Post #: 1

RE: Turlington Bottle - 2/28/2005 7:18:50 AM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline In "Collecting Bottles" by Cecil Munsey he states they were made as early as 1744 and up to about 1900 in that same pear shaped bottle. Importing was stopped during the Revolutionary War but did resume. There are pictures of examples of 7 variations from the 1860's. I'm sure the ealier types must have been pontiled. (in reply to redbrass_ca) Post #: 2

RE: Turlington Bottle - 2/28/2005 8:44:12 AM    woody   Posts: 1680 Joined: 10/29/2002 From: Gilmanton, New Hampshire Status: online I have a pontiled Turlington bottle that I dug a few years ago here in New Hampshire, USA. _____________________________ Woody (in reply to redbrass_ca) Post #: 3

RE: Turlington Bottle - 2/28/2005 9:37:52 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 5160 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline You have the latest version of the bottle it appears. They go for about $15-20 here in USA. The pontil versions i've seen sell for up to $200 for the rarer molds. --Matt (in reply to redbrass_ca) Post #: 4

RE: Turlington Bottle - 2/28/2005 4:44:04 PM    redbrass_ca   Posts: 133 Joined: 11/30/2004 Status: offline Thank you very much for your kind replies. The bottle does not have a clear pontil scar at the base. The two part seam stops shy of the lip. The other side of the bottle is embossed with " By the Kings Royal Patent granted" Each side is also embossed. One has;"London" , the other;"JANY". Over the years I have seen another variation which has less writing on the sides. If anyone has some other types they wish to post I would be glad to see some older types known to collectors Thierry G. Papion Halifax NS. (in reply to redbrass_ca) Post #: 5

RE: Turlington Bottle - 3/2/2005 7:46:51 AM    David E Posts: 995 Joined: 5/24/2004 Status: offline Find three bottles but two nearest to yous are BY THE KINGS ROYAL PATENT GRANTED TO ROBT TURLINGTON FOR HIS INVENTED BALSAM OF LIFE JANy 26 1774 LONDON Clear 2 1/2" x ? x ? also without p and patent dates, distinctive pear shape BY THE KINGS ROYAL PATENT GRANTED TO ROBT TURLL NGTON FOR HIS INVENTED BALSAM OF LIFE JANY LONDON Base WT & CO (Whitall Tatem and company who used that mark until 1935) Clear 2 11/16"x 1 3/16" also with a p Also note the two different JANy and JANY. Dave < Message edited by David E -- 3/2/2005 7:50:07 AM > (in reply to redbrass_ca) Post #: 6

RE: Turlington Bottle - 3/3/2005 6:13:07 AM    redbrass_ca   Posts: 133 Joined: 11/30/2004 Status: offline Dear Dave Thanks for the info. My bottle is more closely described by your second description. The base has no Wt & Co. The JANY is all capital . The bottle height is 2 3/4 and it width is 1 5/16. The S of Kings is tilted forward has if it was going to fall off. The bottle thickness is aprroximately 13/16 There is no "to" it simply goes granted Rob T Turli... Let me know what you find out? Thanks Thierry (in reply to redbrass_ca) Post #: 7

RE: Turlington Bottle - 3/4/2005 6:51:59 AM    David E Posts: 995 Joined: 5/24/2004 Status: offline In re=reading my descriptions are correct. However there is a photo of bottle which shows (front) BY THE KING'S ROYAL PATENT GRANTED TO (back) ROBT TURLI NGTON FOR HIS INVENTED BALSAM OF LIFE And looks like the also pictured by the bottles are LONDON JANY. He really doesn't note where this is located. Will in next few days try to get you a picture of picture. There is another section which just shows embosing TUR LING TONS BALSAM Patented 1744 (Long story) and introduced in bottles 1750 with introduction of the popular vial in 1754. Bottle was shaped like this to stop forgeries and reuse of bottle but in spite of his efforts, conterfeiting continued in the US by 1768 and possibly earlier. Eventually many of the containers were also manufactured in the US Clear 3"x 1 1/10" x 3/4" Embosing and body styles varied imitations were also produced. Distinctive Pear shape. Dave (in reply to redbrass_ca) Post #: 8

RE: Turlington Bottle - 3/5/2005 2:33:00 PM    David E Posts: 995 Joined: 5/24/2004 Status: offline Picture of book picture Dave Attachment (1) (in reply to redbrass_ca) Post #: 9

RE: Turlington Bottle - 3/6/2005 6:18:50 PM    redbrass_ca   Posts: 133 Joined: 11/30/2004 Status: offline Dear Dave Thanks for your information. I went to see my old buddy Bob Doiron ( Stubby on this site) He brought his two Turlingtons. They are both very different from mine. As a matter fact I think one of the is a fake my by a competitor. I am posting some more pictures. Incidently, I did quite a bit of research on the internet and found very little information about Rob T. Turlington. He his apparently the first person to ever use embossing on a bottle and created the bottle in 1754 nearly 10 years after obtaining the patent from King Georges the II. He wanted to discuraged cheap imitations of his product. I could not find anything more. They don't say anything about his life and whether he became properous thanks to the Balsam patent. I did find a site that talk about medecine in the late 1700's early 1800's. This remedy was a cure all for a lot of dying souls. Attachment (1) (in reply to redbrass_ca) Post #: 10

RE: Turlington Bottle - 3/6/2005 6:19:56 PM    redbrass_ca   Posts: 133 Joined: 11/30/2004 Status: offline the other side Attachment (1) (in reply to redbrass_ca) Post #: 11

RE: Turlington Bottle - 3/6/2005 6:21:35 PM    redbrass_ca   Posts: 133 Joined: 11/30/2004 Status: offline Here is the other variety that resemble mine but still very different It has a mold number at the base 151 Attachment (1) (in reply to redbrass_ca) Post #: 12

RE: Turlington Bottle - 3/6/2005 6:22:55 PM    redbrass_ca   Posts: 133 Joined: 11/30/2004 Status: offline the other side Attachment (1) (in reply to redbrass_ca) Post #: 13

RE: Turlington Bottle - 3/21/2005 8:36:41 AM    woody   Posts: 1680 Joined: 10/29/2002 From: Gilmanton, New Hampshire Status: online It took me awhile to dig it out but I did find the pontiled version of the "Turlingtons Balsam" bottle. Flared lip, (chipped), open pontil. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Woody (in reply to redbrass_ca) Post #: 14

RE: Turlington Bottle - 3/21/2005 8:37:41 AM    woody   Posts: 1680 Joined: 10/29/2002 From: Gilmanton, New Hampshire Status: online The other side. "The Kings Patent" Attachment (1) _____________________________ Woody (in reply to redbrass_ca) Post #: 15

RE: Turlington Bottle - 3/21/2005 8:55:16 AM    bearswede Posts: 2910 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline Hey Woody... You could spiff up that beauty with some casting resin... Ron (in reply to redbrass_ca) Post #: 16

RE: Turlington Bottle - 3/21/2005 9:00:09 AM    woody   Posts: 1680 Joined: 10/29/2002 From: Gilmanton, New Hampshire Status: online You're right, Ron. Although this is indicative to alot of flared lip pontiled bottles that you dig. The paper thin lip is so delicate almost always when you dig them there is some damage to the flared lip. Every once in awhile I will find one intact, although it is usually an unembossed one. < Message edited by woody -- 3/21/2005 9:00:49 AM > _____________________________ Woody (in reply to redbrass_ca) Post #: 17

RE: Turlington Bottle - 3/21/2005 7:38:31 PM    redbrass_ca   Posts: 133 Joined: 11/30/2004 Status: offline That's a real gem! Thierry (in reply to redbrass_ca) Post #: 18

RE: Turlington Bottle - 3/22/2005 9:41:19 AM    woody   Posts: 1680 Joined: 10/29/2002 From: Gilmanton, New Hampshire Status: online I'd say that the bottle was made either in the late 1700's or early 1800's as most of the bottles that I found in that dump, 7 whole pontils and numerous broken pontiled bottles, were from that era. It's the same dump I found my pontiled Farley's Ink from Stoddard, NH. _____________________________ Woody (in reply to redbrass_ca) Post #: 19

RE: Turlington Bottle - 3/22/2005 9:53:08 AM    woody   Posts: 1680 Joined: 10/29/2002 From: Gilmanton, New Hampshire Status: online Stoddard ink bottles I found in the same dump as the Turlington Balsam. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Woody (in reply to redbrass_ca) Post #: 20

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