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Union Historical Flask - 5/4/2005 7:30:29 PM    treasurehunt   Posts: 311 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Dearborn, Michigan Status: offline After 2 years of probing and looking around for a privy, I dug my first privy (that was not pre-dug by someone else) and all I can say is WOW!!!!!!!!! It turned out to be 4 foot X 5 foot and 5 foot deep and found several good bottles in it with embossing. But one of them just blows me a way. I found a very crude pontiled UNION Historical Flask. On one side it shows 13 stars with the word UNION and a large shield with clasp hands a wreath around it. On the other side shows a cannon and flag. it is a medium blue bottle that is in perfect condition. It is 71/2 inches tall, I think it's a pint size. I still need to take the dirt out of the bottle and try to clean it the best that I can. This things so cool I'm afraid to touch it!!!!!!! Has anyone ever seen one like this? What is the best way to clean a bottle like this? Thanx for any help you can give me! Attachment (1) Post #: 1

RE: Union Historical Flask - 5/4/2005 7:31:10 PM    treasurehunt   Posts: 311 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Dearborn, Michigan Status: offline Here is the front Attachment (1) < Message edited by treasurehunt -- 5/4/2005 7:32:09 PM > (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 2

RE: Union Historical Flask - 5/4/2005 7:33:25 PM    treasurehunt   Posts: 311 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Dearborn, Michigan Status: offline Here is the pontiled bottom Attachment (1) (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 3

RE: Union Historical Flask - 5/4/2005 7:34:34 PM    treasurehunt   Posts: 311 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Dearborn, Michigan Status: offline Here is the top Attachment (1) (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 4

RE: Union Historical Flask - 5/4/2005 8:04:37 PM    oldshoe4u   Posts: 211 Joined: 2/3/2005 From: Cental NY Status: offline Awesome find!! Get that baby cleaned up and get us some more pics! I cant wait to see the finished product, also will check Kovels listings to see if they have anything close listed for ya! Great find for your first privy dig! Was it a household privy or a community one? BOB (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 5

RE: Union Historical Flask - 5/4/2005 8:09:21 PM    diggermeister Posts: 149 Joined: 5/3/2005 From: North Carolina, USA Status: offline WOW!!!! That is superb !!!! Congrats. I think we all would LOVE to make a find like that. I can't wait to see some of the others you found. How about some more details about the location and age of the site etc? By the way, I'm guessing (comemorating) the war of 1812 maybe? There was a real surge of patriotism after that time... < Message edited by diggermeister -- 5/4/2005 9:32:54 PM > _____________________________ If I Wasn't Crazy; I'd Go Insane, GARY http://groups.yahoo.com/group/federal_law_forbids_bottles (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 6

RE: Union Historical Flask - 5/4/2005 8:21:38 PM    Pettydigger Posts: 189 Joined: 1/2/2005 From: Southern Iowa Status: offline Way to go treasurehunt that is what it is all about, digging a good bottle that gives you a smile from ear to ear That is a good flask I'm not sure on the value but a pontiled flask with that much embossing fetches good $. Being a bottle you dug yourself it should be priceless Soak it in a bucket of water and get the dirt out of it, looks like it may require a tumble to get the sickness out of it also. Yes, "WOW" is a very good decription. PD (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 7

RE: Union Historical Flask - 5/4/2005 8:28:07 PM    treasurehunt   Posts: 311 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Dearborn, Michigan Status: offline I was driving thru a old town and saw near the mainstreet area 4 or 5 large lots that looked like it was just was buldozed. so first I pulled out my detector and didn't find much except a old token good for 5 cents in drinks and lots of nails. so then I pulled out my 4 foot probe and went along the back fence line where the heavy trucks didn't make the ground rock hard. And after a while the probe went all the way down, then on the next probe it went down all the way be with lots of chrunching after about 2 feet. I still wasn't sure it was a privy because I could not find where the privy started or stopped. So I just started digging in the middle and worked my way out. What was cool was finding all the seeds for the first time. I stayed till dark then came back the next day with my sanborn maps and there was 4 houses and a church on the land on my 1902 map. Attachment (1) (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 8

RE: Union Historical Flask - 5/4/2005 8:30:05 PM    Pettydigger Posts: 189 Joined: 1/2/2005 From: Southern Iowa Status: offline One of my guides saying $60 to $100, once cleaned up if condition is outstanding I would expect, at auction or e-bay probably go higher than that. There are experts on this forum that will be able to assist you better than me though on flasks. PD (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 9

RE: Union Historical Flask - 5/4/2005 8:53:11 PM    lobeycat Posts: 4014 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: online Congrats Treasure!! Looks like a "G Wll-39". Your first step to cleaning will be to soak it. Submerge it in a shallow container with tepid water (nuetral tempature) and let it sit for a few days. The muck inside should loosen. To speed things along slide a thin, stiff piece of wire into the mud. Nice and slow try not to touch the glass with it. Make several holes this way. just let it soak. To get this bottle looking it's best, it will have to be tumbled. NICE FIND!!!!!!! Rich. (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 10

RE: Union Historical Flask - 5/4/2005 10:15:43 PM    BRIAN S.   Posts: 1472 Joined: 5/27/2003 From: The Mountains of Tennessee Status: online Hi Treasurehunt ! Medium Blue ???? As in Medium Blue Aquamarine or as in Medium Blue Cobalt/sapphire ???? It has a lot of stain and I can't tell in your pics ! Brian _____________________________ Tennessee Hillbilly Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most ! Always looking to buy or trade for Drake's Plantation Bitters and Drake's go-withs . And Tennessee Bottles and Jugs ! (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 11

RE: Union Historical Flask - 5/4/2005 10:19:44 PM    treasurehunt   Posts: 311 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Dearborn, Michigan Status: offline I started to clean it and it is more Aquamarine but where the glass is thicker, it's a nice darker blue. (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 12

RE: Union Historical Flask - 5/5/2005 7:23:04 AM    lobeycat Posts: 4014 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: online Looking at the third pic it appears to be light blue a.k.a. cornflower. $230 probably higher after you have it tumbled. Really nice bucko! Rich. (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 13

RE: Union Historical Flask - 5/6/2005 5:25:54 PM    amblypygi Posts: 454 Joined: 4/6/2004 From: Western Massachusetts Status: offline quote: ORIGINAL: lobeycat Congrats Treasure!! Looks like a "G Wll-39". ... I'm not sure about that, the cannon looks more like Group XII-40 (these are McKearin-Wilson flask numbers), but the obverse is totally wrong. The GXII-40 is listed in light blue, which this flask seems to be, and was made by Fahnstock, Albree & Co. Pittsburgh. The description of GXII-41 fits well, but the detail can't be seen well enough for me to make it out. Check this picture and see if you can figure it out treasurehunt. Attachment (1) < Message edited by amblypygi -- 5/6/2005 5:31:41 PM > (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 14

RE: Union Historical Flask - 5/6/2005 5:30:36 PM    amblypygi Posts: 454 Joined: 4/6/2004 From: Western Massachusetts Status: offline Here is the text describing 40 and 41, I think it's 41. You need to clean it up and count leaves, spokes, etc. to really figure it out. Could easily be an unlisted variant too, there are lots of those still out there. Someday someone should do a revision of McKearin and Wilson's tables. Nice find though, I'd figure $100-$300 depending color and on how sick the glass ends up being. Attachment (1) (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 15

RE: Union Historical Flask - 5/7/2005 12:43:25 AM    whiskeyman Posts: 2034 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline I agree with AMBLY...appears to be from GXII-40 group...Is it a pint, 1/2 pint, quart? A better pic of the cannon side would help....On the Union side is there any "ghost" embossing in the frame? I can't see any FA&Co in your flask....you may indeed have an unlisted variant. Great find !!! AMBLY....last I heard Wilson was working on revising the book...updating with new finds and info...Been waiting for it to be released and wondering also.... will I be able to afford it...?? (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 16

RE: Union Historical Flask - 5/9/2005 10:08:10 PM    treasurehunt   Posts: 311 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Dearborn, Michigan Status: offline I posted some better pictures of my historical flask in my folder (coin737). If you need more pictures just let me know. To me it looks like pontil but I'm just a beginner at this stuff. Is this a new version of this flask? Is this a pontil? What might the value be? And how might I get the rest of the dirt out that is near the neck since I don't want to scrach the the top using brushes. Thanx for all your help! Sorry I didn't post sooner, man is this is a busy time of the year. Attachment (1) (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 17

RE: Union Historical Flask - 5/9/2005 10:14:34 PM    treasurehunt   Posts: 311 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Dearborn, Michigan Status: offline The cannon on my flask has the cannon centered on the opposite wheel as compaired to GXII-40 or GXII-42. What do you think? Attachment (1) (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 18

RE: Union Historical Flask - 5/9/2005 10:16:32 PM    treasurehunt   Posts: 311 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Dearborn, Michigan Status: offline Is this a pontil Bottom? Attachment (1) (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 19

RE: Union Historical Flask - 5/9/2005 10:18:04 PM    treasurehunt   Posts: 311 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Dearborn, Michigan Status: offline Is this a pontil bottom? view 2 Attachment (1) (in reply to treasurehunt) Post #: 20

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