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Wanted: British embossed pontiled meds - 5/16/2007 5:22:32 AM    deepbluedigger   Posts: 231 Joined: 1/12/2006 From: Yorkshire, England Status: offline It's been a while since I updated this one, so it dropped off the bottom! Just a reminder that I'm always looking for British pontiled or hinge mold medicines. Damage always acceptable if priced accordingly, and I even collect broken early bottles so long as they are interesting and informative: cracks, holes, necks missing, even large fragments. I'm not looking for any of the square 'LONDON' mustard type bottles though! Thanks Jerry < Message edited by deepbluedigger -- 5/18/2007 3:47:18 AM > Post #: 1

RE: British embossed pontiled meds wanted - 5/16/2007 6:39:31 AM    bearswede Posts: 2910 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline Hi Jerry... I for one, with a couple of exceptions, don't really know the names of early British meds... Could you give us some examples? Ron _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to deepbluedigger) Post #: 2

RE: British embossed pontiled meds wanted - 5/17/2007 10:01:26 AM    deepbluedigger   Posts: 231 Joined: 1/12/2006 From: Yorkshire, England Status: offline quote: ORIGINAL: bearswede Hi Jerry... I for one, with a couple of exceptions, don't really know the names of early British meds... Could you give us some examples? Ron Hi Ron, Where to begin?? There are quite a few that have the same names and similar bottles to some made in the States. Dalbys Carminative, Turlingtons Balsam, Buchans Balsam, Balsam of Honey, Essence of Peppermint, to name but a few. In most (but not all) cases where there are British and American ones very similar, the British ones will be flint glass, solid or glass chip pontil, flared lip. This is true, for example, with Turlingtons, Buchans, Rowlands, and some Dalbys. British examples of all of these turn up from time to time in the US, especially on the east coast, and usually in earlier privies (pre1840s). The list of other British ones is almost endless, but some of the ones that I know turn up in the US quite regularly includes Essence of Peppermint, Russia Oil, Oxley / London (no medicine name on that one), Reynolds Gout Specific, Dr Gilberts Tincture, & cordial, & drops Walkers Jesuit Drops, Wessels Jesuit Drops, Blondells Specific, Arnolds Balsam, Wryghts bitters Butlers Magnesia, Fryars Drops, and many others. Some that seem to have turned up a few times but only very rarely include: Brodums Cordial Solomons Balm of Gilead Solomons Drops Daffy's Elixir Norris's Drops There is a great resource online that gives a list of about 1,300 patent medicines that were being sold in Britain in 1830. It's a list that was compiled at that time for tax purposes. It's at http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=16220 I'll post some pictures in a while, once I've sorted out a glitch with my computer. Jerry < Message edited by deepbluedigger -- 5/17/2007 10:32:47 AM > (in reply to bearswede) Post #: 3

RE: British embossed pontiled meds wanted - 5/17/2007 10:12:55 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 5160 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-c-1790-Dark-Green-English-Pontiled-Medicine_W0QQitemZ150123321526QQihZ005QQcategoryZ895QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Nice one on FleaBay, I assume you saw it. Too bad its damaged _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to deepbluedigger) Post #: 4

RE: British embossed pontiled meds wanted - 5/17/2007 10:36:16 AM    deepbluedigger   Posts: 231 Joined: 1/12/2006 From: Yorkshire, England Status: offline Thanks Gunther. I hadn't seen that one. Now high bidder, although I don't know how long that will last. Damage on bottles like that I really don't mind : it improves affordability! J (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 5

RE: British embossed pontiled meds wanted - 5/17/2007 10:58:27 AM    deepbluedigger   Posts: 231 Joined: 1/12/2006 From: Yorkshire, England Status: offline Some pics of pretty typical pontiled British meds: 3 hair oil bottles. Compare the 2 Rowlands bottles each side with what American Rowlands bottles look like, and it gives an idea of how British bottles of this age often differ from US ones. (more follow) Attachment (1) < Message edited by deepbluedigger -- 5/17/2007 11:07:19 AM > (in reply to deepbluedigger) Post #: 6

RE: British embossed pontiled meds wanted - 5/17/2007 11:00:25 AM    deepbluedigger   Posts: 231 Joined: 1/12/2006 From: Yorkshire, England Status: offline 8 varied flint glass British pontils inlcuding Lamberts Ashmatic Balsam, Essence of Peppermint, Dr Gilberts, Turlingtons, Norris's Drops, another Turlingtons, Roches Embrocation and Oxleys (no contents name on the last one, but it was used for Essence of Ginger or Stomachick Tincture). Attachment (1) < Message edited by deepbluedigger -- 5/17/2007 11:01:57 AM > (in reply to deepbluedigger) Post #: 7

RE: British embossed pontiled meds wanted - 5/17/2007 11:03:16 AM    deepbluedigger   Posts: 231 Joined: 1/12/2006 From: Yorkshire, England Status: offline Just to show that we do get coloured ones over here: Balm of Gilead, Cephalick Snuff, Daffy's Elixir, Turlingtons, and Gells Dalbys Carminative. The Russia Oil and the left hand of the Rowlands bottles in the first photo, the Dr Gilberts in the second photo, and the Gilead and Turlingtons in the third photo were all dug in the US. Attachment (1) < Message edited by deepbluedigger -- 5/17/2007 2:28:06 PM > (in reply to deepbluedigger) Post #: 8

RE: British embossed pontiled meds wanted - 5/17/2007 4:03:06 PM    bearswede Posts: 2910 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline I've got an aqua True Cephalic Snuff without the "K"... Does that mean it's American? Ron < Message edited by bearswede -- 5/17/2007 4:04:31 PM > _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to deepbluedigger) Post #: 9

RE: British embossed pontiled meds wanted - 5/17/2007 7:54:40 PM    annie44 Posts: 1138 Joined: 10/27/2005 Status: offline Wow Deepbluedigger, those are beautiful bottles!  Thanks for posting the pictures.  The Daffy's Elixir would have to be my favorite.  Do those come in various colors?  I'm assuming it was some type of medicine? (in reply to bearswede) Post #: 10

RE: British embossed pontiled meds wanted - 5/18/2007 2:42:22 AM    Flaschenjager Posts: 1141 Joined: 12/21/2002 From: Central Virginia - USA Status: offline Great looking bottles Deepbluedigger - I dug one of those green CephalicK Snuffs years ago and it is one of my favorites out of tons of bottles around here. One I'll keep forever - forever - forever - forever - forever..... Ron - Just my opinion, The K variations have a broad and thicker font or lettering style. With this being said, they SEEM a bit older. Maybe a different mold in different parts of the world? _____________________________ 'Meech' Our websites: http://mysite.verizon.net/flaschenjager/bottles.html Member of FOHBC - RABCA - APBCA Editor of 'The Digger' in full color! Please support the forums with a donation or purchase! (in reply to annie44) Post #: 11

RE: British embossed pontiled meds wanted - 5/18/2007 3:13:52 AM    deepbluedigger   Posts: 231 Joined: 1/12/2006 From: Yorkshire, England Status: offline Thanks for the comments guys. Ron, there are both British and American Cephalic(k) snuffs - easiest way to tell them apart is by the pontil. US ones usually have an OP mark, but British ones almost always have solid pontils. It's not a hard and fast rule, but it seems to work 95% of the time for the snuffs. Annie, the Daffy's is one of the all time classic British cures. It was first marketed in the 1650s or 60s, around the time of the English Civil War, and was marketed in embossed bottles from about the 1780s (maybe even earlier) right through to the 1920s! Daffy's bottles turn up occasionally in the US, but very rarely. I don't think (but I might be wrong) that there are any US-manufactured Daffy's bottles known. Pontiled examples are the most popular cure for collectors over here in the UK, and if they turn up at shows usually don't even touch the table before someone buys them. Smooth base ones are great bottles as well, but can be picked up for pretty low prices still (well under $100 if you're lucky). There are a couple of hundred variations in size, colour and embossing. < Message edited by deepbluedigger -- 5/18/2007 3:25:03 AM > (in reply to Flaschenjager) Post #: 12

RE: British embossed pontiled meds wanted - 5/18/2007 8:13:52 AM    bearswede Posts: 2910 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline Here's some pickies... Attachment (1) _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to deepbluedigger) Post #: 13

RE: British embossed pontiled meds wanted - 5/18/2007 8:16:08 AM    bearswede Posts: 2910 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline Pontil... Attachment (1) _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to bearswede) Post #: 14

RE: British embossed pontiled meds wanted - 5/18/2007 8:18:08 AM    bearswede Posts: 2910 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline Lip... Attachment (1) _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to bearswede) Post #: 15

RE: British embossed pontiled meds wanted - 5/18/2007 10:00:52 AM    deepbluedigger   Posts: 231 Joined: 1/12/2006 From: Yorkshire, England Status: offline That's a great looking bottle you've got. For my money I'd say it's a bona fide US made item. The inward rolled lips are very uncommon on British bottles of any type. Any small pontiled bottle with inward rolled lip like that is very unlikely to be British. I've only got one British bottle with a lip like that, and it's a flint glass 'LONDON / MUSTARD' bottle that was dug over here about 20 years ago. (in reply to bearswede) Post #: 16

RE: British embossed pontiled meds wanted - 5/18/2007 4:06:03 PM    deepbluedigger   Posts: 231 Joined: 1/12/2006 From: Yorkshire, England Status: offline I picked up my 'holy grail' pontiled cure in a swap deal last weekend. Have posted a picture and some info in the 'prized posession' section. Wow. Still a bit shaky even now, when I think about it. Should have calmed down in another 2 or 3 weeks. (in reply to deepbluedigger) Post #: 17

RE: British embossed pontiled meds wanted - 7/3/2007 6:33:25 AM    deepbluedigger   Posts: 231 Joined: 1/12/2006 From: Yorkshire, England Status: offline Still looking for those British pontils. Went to the British National show at the weekend. Got rained on a whloe lot, but it was still a great time. (in reply to deepbluedigger) Post #: 18

RE: British embossed pontiled meds wanted - 7/3/2007 10:56:52 PM    KentOhio   Posts: 732 Joined: 9/13/2004 Status: offline There's a pricey Dicey on bottleauction.com < Message edited by KentOhio -- 7/3/2007 10:57:29 PM > (in reply to deepbluedigger) Post #: 19

RE: British embossed pontiled meds wanted - 7/2/2008 2:21:07 PM    tigue710 Posts: 1749 Joined: 7/11/2007 From: connecticut Status: online Hey Blue, just dug an aqua English version "Cephalick Snuff", could you tell me what its worth?  nice outward flared and in rolled lip... though you might be interested until I read the whole post!  Thanks,  Matt _____________________________ aint no bottles in there.... (in reply to KentOhio) Post #: 20

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