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What Was In It? - 5/31/2010 10:29:23 PM    lizard   Posts: 17 Joined: 5/31/2010 From: An East Texas Cow Lot Status: offline Greetings, I have a McCormick tri-corner cobalt blue poison bottle embossed with the bee brand logo, McCormick, and dated 1902.  My question is; does anyone know what was sold in one of these bottles during the time they were in use? Attachment (1) Post #: 1

RE: What Was In It? - 5/31/2010 10:43:43 PM    blobbottlebob Posts: 3663 Joined: 12/20/2005 From: Wisconsin Status: offline I just wanted to welcome you Lizard. Welcome. Cool little bottle. I know nothing about it but someone will. (in reply to lizard) Post #: 2

RE: What Was In It? - 6/1/2010 6:47:36 AM    lizard   Posts: 17 Joined: 5/31/2010 From: An East Texas Cow Lot Status: offline Thanks BBBob, I am still getting acquainted with the site. (in reply to blobbottlebob) Post #: 3

RE: What Was In It? - 6/1/2010 9:31:43 AM    Poison_Us Posts: 2954 Joined: 5/27/2009 From: Savannah, Ga. Status: offline You have a KT-14.  This is the latest of the 3 variations being the screw top issue.  The 2 prior were cork tops.  Anyway, it seems to be in excellent condition...worth $25 - $40 depending on the day/buyer.  I have no idea what came in them as I have never came across one with a label. _____________________________ Poison Us Member: APBCA ( www.poisonbottleclub.org ) Visit Us @: www.poisonousaddiction.com Looking for digging partners in/near Savannah. Be a friend. Give the "GIFT" of Poison. (in reply to lizard) Post #: 4

RE: What Was In It? - 6/1/2010 9:55:36 AM    lizard   Posts: 17 Joined: 5/31/2010 From: An East Texas Cow Lot Status: offline Thanks for the information, I have an email request in to McCormick for information about what they used to sell in them.  Maybe they will reply before i checkout =0)  If I find out anything useful I will pass it along. (in reply to Poison_Us) Post #: 5

RE: What Was In It? - 6/1/2010 10:22:21 AM    swizzle Posts: 3596 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline Hey Lizard, good to see that you made it. $25 to $40, I'd say get some tools and dig the crap outta that dump. If it was a specific med for say heart problems or something like that then the person who took that medicine may have went through several bottles a year. Worth a dig for sure. Swiz (in reply to lizard) Post #: 6

RE: What Was In It? - 6/1/2010 11:09:38 AM    lizard   Posts: 17 Joined: 5/31/2010 From: An East Texas Cow Lot Status: offline Yep it’s definitely worth a second look.  Only thing is that it’s not a pleasant spot to dig.  If you look close, the indention about center top filled with leaves is the hole it came out of last summer.  With all the under brush it gets really hot in there.  But dig we will. Attachment (1) (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 7

RE: What Was In It? - 6/1/2010 11:12:48 AM    lizard   Posts: 17 Joined: 5/31/2010 From: An East Texas Cow Lot Status: offline Oops .... that turned out a little..... large?  do better next time. (in reply to lizard) Post #: 8

RE: What Was In It? - 6/1/2010 5:09:06 PM    surfaceone Posts: 7141 Joined: 12/9/2008 Status: offline Hello Rick, Welcome to the forums and thanks for bringing this little laudanum bottle with you. I wuz gonna say, "Can't be a poison, McCormick Co. was and are spice merchants. What'ya think poison Bacon bitz?" Stephen/ Poison_Us recognized it as a KT-14, so I'm scratching my head. Further lookin around was called for... Here's a History of McCormick Co. via Digger Odell. "I have found a triangular shaped bottle that is purple/blue in color with a picture of a Bee impressed on the front of it and McCormick 1902 stamped on the bottom. I can find no one who can tell me anything about this bottle such as its history or value. I would greatly welcome any information you may have on it. Thank You, Tony Compton You did not mention your bottle had a screw top mouth but I believe it probably does. The later bottle of this style has the "Patented / July 8th 1902" in place of "Patent Applied For" as shown in the picture at the right. The bottle is common, less so with the 'patent applied for' embossing. The bottle is sometimes referred to as the "bee poison" and is considered a poison bottle by most collectors. The screw top variant would be worth $3-5." From Digger Odell, Oct. 1999. "The KT-14 is the well-known and popular McCormick & Company Bee Brand Bottle, a cobalt bottle embossed with a bee that exists in both cork-top and screw-top versions. There also are two different embossings, one with “Patent Applied For” and the other with “Patented July 8th 1902” which reflects the approximate age of the bottle. A turn- of-the-century magazine advertisement for the KT-14 shows a cork-topped bottle and reveals that the product being sold was laudanum (a solution of opium in alcohol). The ad notes that the bottle’s cobalt color and triangular shape “eliminates all danger of getting hold of the wrong bottle.” Again, the goal was to warn of danger by bottle color and shape, not by difficult-to-open tops." From Poison Land by Mike Dickman. Does the word "Poison" or "Poisonous" appear anywhere on your bottle? I don't think so, but am asking cuz I don't know. I'm gonna go reread the label on those Bacon Bitz. (in reply to lizard) Post #: 9

RE: What Was In It? - 6/1/2010 6:52:01 PM    lizard   Posts: 17 Joined: 5/31/2010 From: An East Texas Cow Lot Status: offline Thought it strange also that McCormick sold a poison.  But at least I now know what was once in my little bottle and I thank you.  Be ware bacon bitz made in foreign lands. (in reply to surfaceone) Post #: 10

RE: What Was In It? - 9/11/2010 1:22:29 PM    Poison_Us Posts: 2954 Joined: 5/27/2009 From: Savannah, Ga. Status: offline We had to revisit this for an update to all those still having questions regarding this bottle.  Just got off the phone with our go-to expert (Thank you Jerry, always a pleasure talking with you) As noted above, the article from Mike Dickman back in '06 regarding this bottle, contained laudanum.  The shape of the bottle was a warning of not that it was a poison, but to use caution as there is potential overdose from the product.  The same goes for the KH-26/27 I have mentioned before in a previous post about those 2 bottles (though they contained a laxative) Now, Jerry has 2 of these bottles with labels.  These note not laudanum, but Quinine Sulfate, a treatment for Malaria. Again, the shape was of a warning that there is a potential of an overdose if not taken correctly.  It was not a poison. Still, a nice bottle regardless and will still be referred to many as the KT-14.  There is a larger size of this bottle as well and are very hard to find. _____________________________ Poison Us Member: APBCA ( www.poisonbottleclub.org ) Visit Us @: www.poisonousaddiction.com Looking for digging partners in/near Savannah. Be a friend. Give the "GIFT" of Poison. (in reply to lizard) Post #: 11

RE: What Was In It? - 9/12/2010 4:41:17 AM    glass man Posts: 7746 Joined: 1/30/2008 From: GEORGIA Status: offline NICE INFO STEPHEN!! NEVER SAW A LARGE SIZE...THAT WOULD BE COOL... POST ONE IF YOU EVER COME ACROSS ONE...I HAVE ALWAYS LOVED THE EMBOSSING ON THESE BOTTLES...JAMIE _____________________________ LET NOT YOUR HEART BE TROUBLED ! IF YOU NEED A BLESSING OR A SONG THAT WILL PICK YOU UP PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS SONG FROM"VAN THE MAN"MORRISON! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi4R2YXv_AE (in reply to Poison_Us) Post #: 12

RE: What Was In It? - 9/12/2010 7:02:25 AM    Poison_Us Posts: 2954 Joined: 5/27/2009 From: Savannah, Ga. Status: offline  I will if I find one...but yesterday was the first I have heard of them and Jerry is the only one I now know to have one.  Joan (our editor) had one, but recently broke it, so now she is on the hunt for a replacement as well. _____________________________ Poison Us Member: APBCA ( www.poisonbottleclub.org ) Visit Us @: www.poisonousaddiction.com Looking for digging partners in/near Savannah. Be a friend. Give the "GIFT" of Poison. (in reply to glass man) Post #: 13

RE: What Was In It? - 9/12/2010 10:06:05 AM    lizard   Posts: 17 Joined: 5/31/2010 From: An East Texas Cow Lot Status: offline Thanks for the update Poison Us. Rick (in reply to Poison_Us) Post #: 14

RE: What Was In It? - 6/17/2011 12:03:18 AM    Ryan Schnitzer   Posts: 55 Joined: 6/16/2011 From: castroville TX Status: offline very nice (in reply to lizard) Post #: 15

RE: What Was In It? - 6/21/2011 10:25:19 PM    namzug2 Posts: 10 Joined: 2/5/2011 From: calif Status: offline I enjoy this talkI learn a lot and absorb the knowlege. I mature much faster. as well as those around me. Thankyou thankyou thankyou (in reply to Ryan Schnitzer) Post #: 16

RE: What Was In It? - 6/21/2011 10:27:48 PM    namzug2 Posts: 10 Joined: 2/5/2011 From: calif Status: offline Sorry got  excited. Isn't laudenum a painkiller? (in reply to namzug2) Post #: 17

RE: What Was In It? - 6/21/2011 10:31:20 PM    cowseatmaize Posts: 6472 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Eastern Northwest West Central area of Mass Status: offline Just from memory I think it's an opiate. Yes it would kill pain and more. _____________________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati Eric (in reply to namzug2) Post #: 18

RE: What Was In It? - 6/23/2011 11:50:17 AM    #1twin   Posts: 751 Joined: 5/25/2006 From: Biloxi Ms Status: offline   I once dug 16 of those little jewels in the same spot. Some of them are a deep dark purpleish color which I would assume makes them more valuable and desireable to collectors. They were all corkers, in the same small size as the one here. I have only seen the larger size in a bottle show in Metarie, La. I think mine all say Patent Applied for and none have poison on them.  Hope this helps,  Marvin (in reply to Poison_Us) Post #: 19

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