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What about cemetery stones? - 9/11/2005 5:40:39 PM    quicksilver   Posts: 133 Joined: 7/16/2005 Status: offline I found a crude, square-shaped tombstone (I believe). It has 2 dates engraved: Oct. 1893 and Dec. 1896. There is a name (PAT). I can't make out a last name, if there is one. I found this at a construction site. I don't think there was a cemetery at this site. Maybe because this was a child, he/she was buried near an old house. It is about 1.5 inches thick and about a foot wide. Are these collectible? Let me know your thoughts on this one. Matt < Message edited by quicksilver -- 9/11/2005 11:09:00 PM > Post #: 1

RE: What about cemetery stones? - 9/11/2005 7:12:48 PM    quicksilver   Posts: 133 Joined: 7/16/2005 Status: offline After cleaning it up some, I see that PAT is a patent. There is an "F3" next to it. It looks like a part of a building from 1893. I don't know how they knew they were going to be in business for 3 years, or maybe 1896 means something else. Matt < Message edited by quicksilver -- 9/11/2005 11:07:58 PM > (in reply to quicksilver) Post #: 2

RE: What about cemetery stones? - 9/11/2005 7:49:47 PM    hope4   Posts: 23 Joined: 7/24/2005 From: Up State New York Status: offline Could be 1883-1886 was how long it took to build the building. Just an idea. Hope (in reply to quicksilver) Post #: 3

RE: What about cemetery stones? - 9/11/2005 8:45:00 PM    quicksilver   Posts: 133 Joined: 7/16/2005 Status: offline That could be. Thank you. : ) (in reply to quicksilver) Post #: 4

RE: What about cemetery stones? - 9/11/2005 9:18:00 PM    Ye Olde Prospector   Posts: 614 Joined: 1/23/2005 From: Bath, Maine Status: offline Here is a piece of marble I dug from an old town dump a few years ago. It is 3/4" thick and 4 1/2 by 2 inches. I had tried to find out its purpose, still only guesses. Everything from a paperweight to a sample of embossing for tombstones. One person said that people who built fireplaces and mantles sometimes embedded a marker like this as a sort of advertising thing in case someone else was impressed with the workmanship and wanted one like it built. Just curious if anyone else has any possible ideas. I am guessing it was probably made in 1855, but other than that who knows. Cliff Attachment (1) (in reply to quicksilver) Post #: 5

RE: What about cemetery stones? - 9/11/2005 9:21:37 PM    bubbas dad Posts: 1374 Joined: 3/30/2005 From: South Carolina, USA Status: offline cliff, it could be either a foot stone or a marker for an infant. _____________________________ john the older i get, the smarter my father gets! (in reply to quicksilver) Post #: 6

RE: What about cemetery stones? - 9/11/2005 9:25:35 PM    Ye Olde Prospector   Posts: 614 Joined: 1/23/2005 From: Bath, Maine Status: offline Possible I suppose but seems quite small for that purpose. Cliff (in reply to quicksilver) Post #: 7

RE: What about cemetery stones? - 9/11/2005 9:40:56 PM    tncgal Posts: 255 Joined: 8/10/2005 From: east TN Status: offline Matt, yours is probably a building/church cornerstone. Yes, they are collectible. I'd like to see a picture. Cliff, yours is probably a street address marker for a building. Normally they were imbedded in the building, but some were used on the front steps. It's also true that it could be a masons advertisement for stonework. I don't believe it's a cemetery marker or typestyle for a monument maker. The carvers work could be seen in the local graveyards. The only possibility that comes to mind, in regard to cemetery marker, would be a corner marker for the family plot. _____________________________ ~ tncgal ~ (in reply to quicksilver) Post #: 8

RE: What about cemetery stones? - 9/11/2005 10:54:54 PM    Ye Olde Prospector   Posts: 614 Joined: 1/23/2005 From: Bath, Maine Status: offline Hi tncgal, Thanks for the info,might check with historical society in the town to see if they have any iny on the name and date. Thanks again. Cliff (in reply to quicksilver) Post #: 9

RE: What about cemetery stones? - 9/11/2005 11:05:07 PM    quicksilver   Posts: 133 Joined: 7/16/2005 Status: offline Thank you for the lively discussion. The date on mine is 1893 and 1896. It is kind of shaped like a top hat with straight edges. My cam isn't working yet on my new computer. I can't wait to get a pic on here. I do think now it is a building/church cornerstone. So, how collectible are these? What kind of values are we looking at? Any general rules to follow when determining values or conditions? (in reply to quicksilver) Post #: 10

RE: What about cemetery stones? - 9/15/2005 11:36:53 PM    diginit   Posts: 662 Joined: 4/7/2004 From: California Status: offline I think it is a cornerstone also. Glad it's not a tombstone. Not just the fact that it is against the law in most states to keep one. It is an issue of integrity. They were put there for a reason. If anyone steals mine, I will haunt the hell out of them. < Message edited by diginit -- 9/17/2005 7:32:38 PM > _____________________________ Life is a Ditch. (in reply to quicksilver) Post #: 11

RE: What about cemetery stones? - 9/16/2005 10:08:41 PM    quicksilver   Posts: 133 Joined: 7/16/2005 Status: offline I'm glad it's not a tombstone, too. Also, if it was, I would not remove it from it's place. Moreover, the construction company would be to blame, because I found it in their soil piles. (in reply to quicksilver) Post #: 12

RE: What about cemetery stones? - 9/20/2005 12:39:03 PM    Bottleman Posts: 851 Joined: 9/3/2004 From: Central Pennsylvania Status: offline I have dug two actual grave stones at this one dump a few years back. I think the maker of them missed up on the initials or he dropped them and chipped the bottoms because they look unfinished to me. Most gravestones have dates on them and these don’t so I would assume there was an error so he hauled them to the dump. In the area I found these in there were 1890s bottles so that’s probably the era of them. ~~Tom Attachment (1) (in reply to quicksilver) Post #: 13

RE: What about cemetery stones? - 9/25/2005 9:06:13 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 5160 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Foot stones normally didnt have dates. Most of the ones I have seen just had initials. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to quicksilver) Post #: 14

RE: What about cemetery stones? - 10/23/2005 5:55:43 PM    calibottles   Posts: 12 Joined: 10/23/2005 Status: offline yes, I dont think Ive ever seen one of those markers with anything more than intials, which is what makes them impossible to place when they get mixed up at the cemetery. I would contact local historical agencys or something, because people who do genealogy will be interested in them. (in reply to quicksilver) Post #: 15

RE: What about cemetery stones? - 10/26/2005 1:55:36 AM    Bottleman Posts: 851 Joined: 9/3/2004 From: Central Pennsylvania Status: offline I never thought of contacting the local historical society but it would be interesting to see if they could find out what graves they came from. The town is pretty small and I don’t even know who to contact but I will try to figure out something. Maybe I will take a walk through the grave yard there and see if they replaced them sometime in the past with the same initials. (in reply to quicksilver) Post #: 16

RE: What about cemetery stones? - 11/2/2005 11:35:32 AM    WhiteLighting Posts: 485 Joined: 1/21/2004 From: The Electric City,Upstate NY Status: offline OK - this is my own opinion - Who would disturb a gravesite and throw the markers in the dump?...i thought it was illegal in any state for a construction Co or anyone to remove or displace anyting in a graveyard without "family/next of kin etc" or a historical background from your local his socitey, These are somthing that me personally would find the owners,or family or a plce to put them so the people they belonged to wont be forgotten,which is karma in your favor. what a strange friggn find... the brick is a corner stone/brick to whatever was there withthe date,its most likley soft brick so watch out...but thats a cool find,the stones though i would contact the local sheriff first and tell them where you found them,and tell about he dump and check your local laws to make sure you wont go to jail for disturbance of a burial ground...im not preachin,but watchin out for a fellow digger.... also alot of markers like the ones with no dates or names are due to epidemic's when the dead outnumberd the living and noone knew who the body belonged to,or they could be of people of forgien nationality at that time "early to mid 1800's" like the chinese who did not get the same treatment as whites,or could be slave markers...who knows...like Shaggy says- this crazy stone is givin me the creeps man!....lol...... look into the matter more though....,hope they moved the bodys if they moved the stones... _____________________________ It's time for another TEA PARTY!!!! (in reply to quicksilver) Post #: 17

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