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X. Bazin? - 2/11/2011 10:03:24 PM   
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This chippy little guy was kicked literally to the curb by some of the excavating machinery on a large urban removal project. That is before they fenced me out, now that the "renewal" phase has begun.

Damaged as it is, i really like this one. Is it a Bazin? It has a pontil era feel. Is that a "ground pontil?" I'd be pleased to learn your thoughts.

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RE: X. Bazin? - 2/11/2011 10:28:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know about Bazin. I'm only going to speculate that the pontil isn't ground. The bottle doesn't seam important enough to merit a polish. I'd guess they just got it done without the rod. The X and B are cool on the neck. Just my opinion.

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RE: X. Bazin? - 2/13/2011 12:03:47 AM   
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I'm only going to speculate that the pontil isn't ground. The bottle doesn't seam important enough to merit a polish. I'd guess they just got it done without the rod.


Hey Eric,

Thanks for your thoughts. Would only "important" bottles receive a grind and polish? Would a jagged pontil that would prevent the bottle from standing without the wobble factor, not be a candidate?

I've seen the term bandied about from time to time, but cannot recall a bonafide example on a commercial bottle. This is the only bottle that I have that appears to have been ground and polished. Kinda hard to see with the opalescence. It has a finger feel as if it might have been. I don't know, but would enjoy learning more.


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RE: X. Bazin? - 2/13/2011 7:22:11 AM   
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Thanks for your thoughts. Would only "important" bottles receive a grind and polish? Would a jagged pontil that would prevent the bottle from standing without the wobble factor, not be a candidate?
I thought about that and I guess they could.
Looking closer it's still hard to see but to me it looks a key or bottom post indent. Thinking of the letter so high on the neck I'd still guess a later than pontil era bottle. Hey, I've been wrong before and I'm sure I will again.
It's still a cute bottle and if I can have an opinion that is 100% correct. 

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RE: X. Bazin? - 2/23/2011 10:48:17 PM   
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Thinking of the letter so high on the neck I'd still guess a later than pontil era bottle.


Hey Eric,

Yours, mine, and a hundred odd sets of eyes have glommed onto to this little guy. I can't think of a similarly neck embossed bottle that I have ever before dug. The part of the site from which this guy appeared was pontil age.

Mouldwise would this be too advanced for mid 19th Century? I'm woefully ignorant on the finer points of mould making, and a lot of other things...

I've done a ton of wondering about this little footed, heavily quilted guy. Would'ya call those bay windows on the sides, or what? I'm assuming it to be a perfumed lotion. But I may have hit a supposing cul-de-sac. I cannot think of another manufacturer with the initials "X B." Sure would like to hear anyone's thoughts, as my own seem to be chasing their tail.


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RE: X. Bazin? - 2/24/2011 2:28:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know what else to say Surf. I still think it a snap and not a ground pontil. 1880-90 is my guess.
I agree that it's Xavier Bazin but they were around into the 1900's I think. I'd swear I saw some info under potlids but I don't see it now.
I wish someone else would check in. I sure don't mind being told I'm wrong.



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RE: X. Bazin? - 2/24/2011 2:53:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		My opinion is your bottle is an Xavier Bazin perfume.

He was known to use the X B initials. He also used quite a variety of bottles.

Odell has the following letter on his site..
Hi Digger - I have just been reading the FASCINATING article ("Looks Like the Bears Aren't Out of the Woods...Yet") on your most excellent website. For Christmas, my mom received a bottle with "X.B." etched into the glass, and with "Bazin's" on the label. We put 2 and 2 together and searched "Xavier Bazin." And up came your enlightening article. There is a U.S. postage stamp on the bottom of the bottle. The postage stamp has "X.B." and "1867" on it. The date seems to be handwritten, the initials seem to be hand-stamped. Do you have any suggestions where we can find additional information on Bazin and what he was up to in the late 1860s? Thanks so much, Suellen Ruttkay

The "postage stamp" they refer to is a tax stamp.

Your bottle is typical of small flint type bottles made in the 1860s.
It appears to be smooth base, not pontil scarred or ground.

Its a very nice bottle in my opinon but not of high value.

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RE: X. Bazin? - 2/25/2011 8:35:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree it's X Bazin perfume or cosmetic from Philly, I dug this very similar one a few years back. Age would be circa 1860 - 65, there's a lot of 'really old but not quite pontilled' Bazin bottles around, but not too many that actually are pontillled.




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RE: X. Bazin? - 2/25/2011 9:10:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		cool one. Bazin bottles would make a good collection since there are a variety plus the pot lids.

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RE: X. Bazin? - 2/26/2011 1:09:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you, Matt, Tom & Eric,

I appreciate the additional information. Tom I like yours a lot, too. Could'ya show us the flipside? It appears that both of ours have a larger than usual mouth diameter for a perfume. That's why I was thinking some kinda lotion...



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RE: X. Bazin? - 2/28/2011 7:28:55 PM   
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RE: X. Bazin? - 2/28/2011 7:32:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		It was certainly some sort of cosmetic; there are quite a few wide mouth cosmetic bottles from the 1850's - 60's in various interesting shapes, you could make a whole collection of them. The one in the middle below is another X. Bazin (with the full name embossed), odd that it's the plainest of the bunch.




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RE: X. Bazin? - 2/28/2011 9:12:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Tom,

Thanks a lot for the additional photos. This is really quite a slice of shelf, and a beauteous spread of cosmetics!

I'm having trouble with the embossed design on your XB. Am I seeing a bow tie at the neck, or is that an "apothecary's belt?"

Hadn't the faintest idea of where might be Mullica Hill until I looked it up. Talk about "Location, location..." You're sitting right on top of the Glass Triangle. I wanna see some more of your collection. Hell, I wanna come over and fondle some of your bottles. Thank you for the brief glimpse...


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RE: X. Bazin? - 3/1/2011 1:12:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		More of a fancy ribbon bow, with the ends hanging down. If you want to see more of the collection, there's some pics in the 'post a pic of your bottle' thread in the 'Displaying and Photographing' forum, I will hopefully post more sometime soon...


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RE: X. Bazin? - 3/3/2011 11:47:57 PM   
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If you want to see more of the collection, there's some pics in the 'post a pic of your bottle' thread in the 'Displaying and Photographing' forum, I will hopefully post more sometime soon...


Hey Tom,

Thanks. I looked at em, twice, in fact. But, those are all the fancy "Window Bottles" and rare Eastern Seaboard Stuff. I wanna see some funky, back of the house bottles, pipes, smalls, and unknown objects. Know what I mean?



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RE: X. Bazin? - 3/4/2011 8:24:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, I went back down to the dungeon and took some photos - here're the shelves where that X.B. lives...




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RE: X. Bazin? - 3/4/2011 8:26:22 PM   
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RE: X. Bazin? - 3/4/2011 8:27:06 PM   
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RE: X. Bazin? - 3/4/2011 8:28:29 PM   
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RE: X. Bazin? - 3/4/2011 8:29:40 PM   
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