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You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/21/2006 10:13:37 PM    bikegoon Posts: 663 Joined: 10/2/2006 From: Lebanon, Ohio Status: offline Say hello to my little friend..... Found this mind blowing pontiled pitcher today, stands almost a foot tall! This is the definition of crude. The pontil is nice. The bubbles almost border on insane. The thing is crooked every which way, which I love. The glass blower added some blue stripes to it. The applied handle is a sepertae hand blown piece in itself. Any feedback on "my little friend" would be great. Bought it in an antique store today. I think this is early 1800's If you had this what kind of price do you think ebay would command from this? Post #: 1

RE: You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/21/2006 10:34:56 PM    welddigger   Posts: 511 Joined: 4/24/2004 From: Hereford,PA. Status: offline I'm not sure ? Why do you think it's early 1800's? It is cool looking though! The handle,form, and the color are a little strange for early 1800's.  < Message edited by welddigger -- 11/21/2006 10:35:47 PM > (in reply to bikegoon) Post #: 2

RE: You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/21/2006 10:52:09 PM    bikegoon Posts: 663 Joined: 10/2/2006 From: Lebanon, Ohio Status: offline The pontil scar is iron, at least I think.... based on what else I found out when I bought the original seller said it was a family piece, being passed down for quite some time. The original felt mid 1800's, based on some evidence she dug up Might be true might not be (in reply to welddigger) Post #: 3

RE: You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/21/2006 11:51:03 PM    bikegoon Posts: 663 Joined: 10/2/2006 From: Lebanon, Ohio Status: offline I think you are right I am thinking late 1800's I found several gorham? dorhams? pitchers from about 1870 witha similar style. It has a face only a mother could love lol! (in reply to bikegoon) Post #: 4

RE: You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/23/2006 1:18:06 AM    CALDIGR2   Posts: 452 Joined: 6/20/2005 Status: offline Seeing that it has little or no base wear. It's age and originality are in serious doubt. _____________________________ Mike Dig no privy before it's time. (in reply to bikegoon) Post #: 5

RE: You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/24/2006 11:21:55 AM    JGUIS   Posts: 1695 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline How can you tell from those pics, that it has no base wear?  Would a wooden table even cause much base wear, since that's probably where it saw most of its use? _____________________________ A pipe gives a wise man time to think, and gives a fool something to stick in his mouth. (in reply to CALDIGR2) Post #: 6

RE: You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/24/2006 12:35:34 PM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2009 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline I've found the anything and everything that is a hundred years old or more has base wear. Even if it was sparingly used it will still show signs of wear. You don't need to drag it across concrete either, wood will wear a surface as well _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to JGUIS) Post #: 7

RE: You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/24/2006 1:57:28 PM    welddigger   Posts: 511 Joined: 4/24/2004 From: Hereford,PA. Status: offline Zanes is right almost all your glass that was blown for use, generally has a good amount of base wear. Especially on the high points. I don't have time right now to take pics for examples but maybe later. I also believe the piece might not be as old as your thinking because of all the factors mentioned. (in reply to zanes_antiques) Post #: 8

RE: You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/24/2006 2:42:30 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline Just out of curiosity. Isn't it possible for such a piece to be used for a short time maybe a holiday type thing? What about for christmas or a wedding gift you get 2 or 3 pitchers and the one you like the most is the one that is being used while the other one is packed away in the attic for 100 years? I know in general if a piece was used for even a short length of time that base wear is definately going to happen. Spilled salt and sugar on a table can be a nasty abrasive as well as flour and a wide variety of common everyday stuff that gets spilled by accident. But there has to be that rare occurance where something has been packed away and forgotten. In this case the piece being passed down from generation to generation to me would suggest that it indeed should have some base wear on it. I know from past experiences that the average camera doesn't pick up these scratches easily and a good camera and proper lighting is needed to bring these features out. O.K. I guess I've rambled enough. Swizzle (in reply to welddigger) Post #: 9

RE: You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/24/2006 4:36:03 PM    capsoda Posts: 7510 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline It looks like modern art glass. My wife and I had a bunch of that stuff the we picked up somewhere and sold at the flea market. There was a pitcher very simular to that in green. It si blown to look old. At least young folk that buy it think it looks old. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 10

RE: You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/24/2006 5:20:07 PM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2009 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline Swiz I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule as always. The very first thing I do when I'm looking at anything old is to look at all the obvious wear points. In the case of something with no wear on it I then look to see if everything is as it should be. One example would be the color or the way something is made. Something like that water pitcher if it was vintage wouldn't have made it out of the factory. In my opinion they would have chucked it because of all those bubbles. We love seeing them today but 150 years ago that wasn't the case. This would have been at best a second. I would guess, by the large amount of bubbles, it to be something contemporary. Something made to look crude and primitive. My first thought when I saw it was "Italy". I'm not saying I'm right but it was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw it. _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 11

RE: You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/26/2006 12:01:18 AM    bikegoon Posts: 663 Joined: 10/2/2006 From: Lebanon, Ohio Status: offline Very interesting and helpful info here guys. One of my selling trends as of late on ebay has been old blown glass pieces with pontil scars, so yes this feedback is really helping. (in reply to zanes_antiques) Post #: 12

RE: You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/26/2006 12:23:07 AM    huffmnd   Posts: 372 Joined: 8/8/2005 From: Sparta Tennessee Status: offline I believe that Zane is right on this, if it was made in the 1800's or even the very early 1900's there was a lot of care taken in the production of utilitarian pieces. Whether they were high priced items or not the people took a lot of pride in their workmanship and would not allow something this crude to go through. I deal a lot with glassware and antiques on a daily basis and I would say that it is an italian or even a chinese rendition made to look old. The colored stripes would not have been a popular design in the 1800's or even the early 1900's. The Blenko, Pilgrim, Viking Glass companies made similar items in the 1960's and still do. I am not ruling out the fact that it is old but I say less than 20 years old anyway. (in reply to bikegoon) Post #: 13

RE: You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/26/2006 12:29:49 AM    bikegoon Posts: 663 Joined: 10/2/2006 From: Lebanon, Ohio Status: offline it is  very very possible, in fact since I have started buying old blown glass pieces for resale, I have noticed the wear marks, and the little things that help in dating the piece, good stuff! The "Kool aid man from hell" pitcher is sitting right next to me, kinda like some disfigured...blob..of glass? lol Ahh its pretty to me though. But back to the subject, I can look this thing over like mad and not see much wear on it, at all. Studying the shape is really throwing me off as well, I found some things late 1800 but the handle is just not fitting in. All part of the learning curve. (in reply to huffmnd) Post #: 14

RE: You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/26/2006 1:11:31 AM    huffmnd   Posts: 372 Joined: 8/8/2005 From: Sparta Tennessee Status: offline Learning is what we all do every day, when you quit learning you are either dead or married oh hold on that is one and the same thing, well any way keep em coming always interested in all the cool things out there. (in reply to bikegoon) Post #: 15

RE: You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/26/2006 1:35:11 AM    bikegoon Posts: 663 Joined: 10/2/2006 From: Lebanon, Ohio Status: offline I AM MARRIED! ARGGGHHH! lol Wait, dig more bottles and I will feel ok...... (in reply to huffmnd) Post #: 16

RE: You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/26/2006 12:26:40 PM    SergioWilkins   Posts: 62 Joined: 4/18/2006 Status: offline  To be honest, it looks like artisan glass to me. It turns up all the time around here. I believe a lot of stuff made by artisans is still pontilled. Not the only way to make art glass, as any one of us would argue, but probably the most popular. _____________________________ Barrett N. (in reply to bikegoon) Post #: 17

RE: You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/26/2006 2:41:55 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline I kinda wonder if this was a piece made by a student learning how to blow glass pitchers? Maybe he/she took it home being proud that they made something even marginally usefull. But I do have to agree that it has a meant to look older feel to it. Almost like they did a really good job cleaning the BIG LOTS sticker off of it. I personally won't buy something that looks old if it doesn't have the wear marks. Unless it's realitively cheap and I'm taking a small risk on it. It is a beautiful piece. You also have to keep in mind that people will lie to sell stuff and sometimes they don't know that they are lieing. For example I buy something at a yard sale and give it to my sister for a homewarming gift. It looks old to me so I tell her it looks to be 1860/70's. She turns around and sells it a few years later and she believes that its old herself. Or they are just flat out lieing and trying to make a million bucks on a dollar store item. Just some more of my ramblings hope it helps? Swizzle (in reply to SergioWilkins) Post #: 18

RE: You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/27/2006 12:43:30 PM    bikegoon Posts: 663 Joined: 10/2/2006 From: Lebanon, Ohio Status: offline quote: ORIGINAL: swizzle Almost like they did a really good job cleaning the BIG LOTS sticker off of it"" Hey! You leave my deformed disfigured KoolAid man from hell pitcher alone! (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 19

RE: You wanna play rough eh? PICS - 11/27/2006 12:46:39 PM    bikegoon Posts: 663 Joined: 10/2/2006 From: Lebanon, Ohio Status: offline The pitchers picture below in his younger years before I found him cold and scared in some antique shop! (in reply to bikegoon) Post #: 20

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