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amethyst jar & 2 marbles - 1/3/2006 12:21:11 AM    Trying not to break it Posts: 2102 Joined: 12/18/2004 From: balt. md. Status: offline hi everyone, my husband found this sunday. it is 5 1/4" tall, 2 1/4" across base. the seam fades at shoulder then starts again about 1/4" over and goes to the top. the glass is thick. only thing on bottom is the # 19. any information as to age would be appreciated. does the fact that it has change colors give it value? thanks for looking, rhona Attachment (1) Post #: 1

RE: amethyst jar & 2 marbles - 1/3/2006 1:04:07 AM    madman   Posts: 4590 Joined: 2/5/2005 Status: offline hey rohna, looks like you found some early machine made bottles 1900s ive found acouple jars like the one pictured. id look some more in that area good luck mike (in reply to Trying not to break it) Post #: 2

RE: amethyst jar & 2 marbles - 1/3/2006 2:05:52 PM    BottleArchaeologist   Posts: 296 Joined: 6/30/2005 From: San Marcos, Ca Status: offline Looks to me to be an olive jar. Might be capers but to me it looks to big for those little things. As to date? Post 1905 but pre 1924. Around 1918 the US stopped importing Manganese (used as a glass de-colorizer) and most if not all supplies were gone by 1924. Manganese when exposed to sunlight (UVrays) will turn the glass purple. The darker the color the more mangnese is in the glass. For a while people went nuts for anything purple but that trend has waned. I would say that bottle is worth a $1.00 or $2.00 at the most. Still I love purple bottles BA (in reply to Trying not to break it) Post #: 3

RE: amethyst jar & 2 marbles - 1/5/2006 2:31:40 AM    madman   Posts: 4590 Joined: 2/5/2005 Status: offline hey ba great info !! keep on diggin mike (in reply to Trying not to break it) Post #: 4

RE: amethyst jar & 2 marbles - 1/5/2006 3:17:33 AM    capsoda Posts: 7512 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Hey Rhona, I've been looking through some boxes of product jars. I think I have one like that with a different top. It had a round glass insert in the top for a lid. Kind of like a fruit jar insert.The lid in the pic came off the same kind of jar but it was cracked. It held potted meat {sandwitch spread}.I find a lot of Product jars in all kind of shapes and sized. Yours could have been from an earlyer mold that was modified to add threads. It could have had a lot of different items in it. Caper, olives, onions, gerkins or even potted meat. You gota love sca. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to Trying not to break it) Post #: 5

RE: amethyst jar & 2 marbles - 1/5/2006 10:46:22 PM    Trying not to break it Posts: 2102 Joined: 12/18/2004 From: balt. md. Status: offline hi mike, ba and warren, thanks for looking and the information. i havn't found but a couple of amethyst bottles so far. so i'm pleased with this one. i keep hopeing that some of my clear ones will turn. i think the amethyst is nice. thanks again, rhona (in reply to Trying not to break it) Post #: 6

RE: amethyst jar & 2 marbles - 1/9/2006 4:58:49 AM    Tandy   Posts: 279 Joined: 6/19/2004 From: Netherby, South Australia Status: offline Hello Rhona, and greetings from South Australia. I read with a great deal of interest of your find of what I call a "sun violet" jar, and I must agree with you, these jars/bottles are nice. Some, especially well embossed ones that have turned a darker shade of violet are very nice indeed. You mentioned that you were "hoping that some of my clear ones will turn." To test this possibility, put them on a flat shed roof during summer, and check trhem roughly every month. I think some will turn for you. Do you have Mason jars where you are? I think that they would be good candidates for putting on the shed roof, especially if clear. I don't think that aqua ones will change colour. Cheers, Tandy Attachment (1) < Message edited by Tandy -- 1/9/2006 5:13:29 AM > _____________________________ Today is the day I will find those goodies just waiting to be found ..... Lots of luck digging! Tandy, Netherby, Adelaide. South Australia. June National http://www.angelfire.com/rock3/rickirving/AHBC.html (in reply to Trying not to break it) Post #: 7

RE: amethyst jar & 2 marbles - 1/12/2006 12:39:14 PM    Trying not to break it Posts: 2102 Joined: 12/18/2004 From: balt. md. Status: offline hi tandy, thanks for looking and the information. i have about 3 1/2 months before i can set anything outside. does any one know if they will turn in a window? you have some really pretty colors on your jars. thanks for posting pics. from an earlier comment about collectors loosing interest in this color may because there are fake colored ones for sale? thanks again, rhona (in reply to Trying not to break it) Post #: 8

RE: amethyst jar & 2 marbles - 1/12/2006 3:35:30 PM    BottleArchaeologist   Posts: 296 Joined: 6/30/2005 From: San Marcos, Ca Status: offline Rhona, Those jars will most certainly turn purple in the window. Needs to get a lot of sun but will happen. Remember though that it's the amount of Manganese that determines how dark they will get not how much sun. I seem to recall the purple trend fading long before the fakes. BA (in reply to Trying not to break it) Post #: 9

RE: amethyst jar & 2 marbles - 1/12/2006 6:29:17 PM    Tandy   Posts: 279 Joined: 6/19/2004 From: Netherby, South Australia Status: offline Hi Rhona, Yes, I forgot it is winter over there. As BottleArchaeologist correctly states, bottles or jars made with Manganese Dioxide will turn violet on a window ledge. It may take a while, yes, but it will happen. To the subject of "fake" sun violet bottles & jars. It is possible to "greatly speed up" the process of turning violet by a process called "Zapping" or irradiation. They tend to be much darker, so if you see one almost black, be wary. Cheers from Oz! Tandy _____________________________ Today is the day I will find those goodies just waiting to be found ..... Lots of luck digging! Tandy, Netherby, Adelaide. South Australia. June National http://www.angelfire.com/rock3/rickirving/AHBC.html (in reply to Trying not to break it) Post #: 10

RE: amethyst jar & 2 marbles - 1/12/2006 7:45:00 PM    hunter58 Posts: 37 Joined: 11/27/2005 Status: offline hello to all, being new to bottlemania I have been researching a little and have found out about manganese turning amethyst and selenium turning straw but what makes glass turn smoke gray? I have a couple of "shoofly" flasks that are smoke and several three piece whiskeys that color and have yet to find what additive causes this. (in reply to Trying not to break it) Post #: 11

RE: amethyst jar & 2 marbles - 1/12/2006 8:08:30 PM    BottleArchaeologist   Posts: 296 Joined: 6/30/2005 From: San Marcos, Ca Status: offline Hunter, Adding Zaffer, Magnesia, Copper and Iron in various combonations and or amounts will result in a bottle that goes from smoke grey to black. Again it is all up to the combo and amount. BA (in reply to Trying not to break it) Post #: 12

RE: amethyst jar & 2 marbles - 1/12/2006 8:43:33 PM    capsoda Posts: 7512 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Also glass made with flint {flint glass} will turn gray. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to Trying not to break it) Post #: 13

RE: amethyst jar & 2 marbles - 1/13/2006 1:25:04 PM    hunter58 Posts: 37 Joined: 11/27/2005 Status: offline thank you B A and Warren does sun light darken this coloration ? I have a soda bottle from around 1905 to 1912 that is a real dark smoke it was made by a Frank Dalle &Co in Tellurid Colo. its kind of crude ,bubbles, a crooked rough seam where the top was put on and of course the misprint of Telluride and the bottom goes from thick to almost nothing it would look really nice if it would get darker (in reply to Trying not to break it) Post #: 14

RE: amethyst jar & 2 marbles - 1/13/2006 1:30:25 PM    BottleArchaeologist   Posts: 296 Joined: 6/30/2005 From: San Marcos, Ca Status: offline Hunter, I don't think the Sun will have an effect on the color. However you could try it and see. Put it in a nice window that gets full sun for 3 months or so......see if it works. BA (in reply to Trying not to break it) Post #: 15

RE: amethyst jar & 2 marbles - 1/13/2006 1:40:23 PM    capsoda Posts: 7512 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Hey Jerry, BA is right and thats a very good bottle to have. Can you put up a pic for everyone to see? _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to Trying not to break it) Post #: 16

RE: amethyst jar & 2 marbles - 1/16/2006 10:33:15 AM    hunter58 Posts: 37 Joined: 11/27/2005 Status: offline hello , here is a picture that shows the gray bottle and some of the other colors we have found it isnt perfect but it is the only Frank Dalle bottle known in my small circle of bottle nuts one of whom has been collecting Telluride bottles for over 50 years I tried to get close ups of the neck because the top and the body are not the same color but my photography skills are seriously lacking thanks for looking Attachment (1) (in reply to Trying not to break it) Post #: 17

RE: amethyst jar & 2 marbles - 1/16/2006 11:34:00 AM    Ye Olde Prospector   Posts: 614 Joined: 1/23/2005 From: Bath, Maine Status: offline Hi Rhona, Here's one of the nicest natural amethyst sodas I have found. It was lying on top of ground behind a stonewall. Such a pretty color I just had to take it home. Cliff Attachment (1) (in reply to Trying not to break it) Post #: 18

RE: amethyst jar & 2 marbles - 1/16/2006 11:40:05 AM    Ye Olde Prospector   Posts: 614 Joined: 1/23/2005 From: Bath, Maine Status: offline Now the rest of the story. Unfortunately some kids must have found it first a decided it would make a nice pellet gun target It was lying on top of the leaves so must have been shot recently. Kids with nothing better to do I guess. Frustrating ! Attachment (1) < Message edited by Ye Olde Prospector -- 1/16/2006 11:41:02 AM > (in reply to Trying not to break it) Post #: 19

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