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authentic saddle bottle San Fran? - 2/14/2007 3:20:54 PM    epgorge   Posts: 2526 Joined: 12/29/2006 From: USA Status: offline Can any tell me if this is an authentic saddle bottle and what would its worth be? How cold one tell? Ep Attachment (1) Post #: 1

RE: authentic saddle bottle San Fran? - 2/14/2007 3:21:42 PM    epgorge   Posts: 2526 Joined: 12/29/2006 From: USA Status: offline btm Attachment (1) (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 2

RE: authentic saddle bottle San Fran? - 2/14/2007 3:30:18 PM    bottlenutboy Posts: 2293 Joined: 10/10/2006 From: Bordensprings, Ala. or Esom Hill, Ga. Status: offline it seems to have quite a bit of base wear and the top looks pretty crude i would think so but im by no means an expert or for that matter a very reputable source for flasks of any type _____________________________ http://www.geocities.com/cleburneslim/index.html?1170417418125 http://www.freewebs.com/bottlenutboy/forsale.htm Spencer (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 3

RE: authentic saddle bottle San Fran? - 2/14/2007 4:28:25 PM    epgorge   Posts: 2526 Joined: 12/29/2006 From: USA Status: offline Something is not right here. It has been unearthed since the 1906 eathquake and it still has dirt on it? Ep (in reply to bottlenutboy) Post #: 4

RE: authentic saddle bottle San Fran? - 2/14/2007 5:57:56 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2420 Joined: 4/17/2005 Status: offline EP.....looks like the real item to me. Persian in origins.I  haven't heard of any being reproduced, but does seem more are showing up on eBay. I recall when $20 was too high for these, but lately they have been going for over $50. It's quite possible our Troops in Iraq are acquiring these and  bringing/sending them back to the US. Is that sand ? It may be embedded in the glass. One larger Persian flagon I have has ashes, sand, and black specks in the glass... Some primitive methods of blowing glass existed in those days. (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 5

RE: authentic saddle bottle San Fran? - 2/14/2007 6:35:35 PM    epgorge   Posts: 2526 Joined: 12/29/2006 From: USA Status: offline That is what sent up the first flag was the sand. Now you mention Iraq and the inreased presence of these bottles on Ebay and I wonder....MMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmm. This particular bottle was suppose to have been unearthed after the 1906 Earth Quake. Sure has been dirty along time. There is a very long and lenghty piece on the Quake, regardless of how germaine it is to the sale. Ep http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1800s-Bluish-Green-Saddle-Bottle-frm-San-Francisco_W0QQitemZ330087879679QQihZ014QQcategoryZ891QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 6

Same styling as the "naval boarding weapons" ... - 2/14/2007 7:19:57 PM    adshepard   Posts: 349 Joined: 8/11/2004 Status: offline Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm... http://cgi.ebay.com/1700s-Palm-Size-Blown-Glass-Naval-Boarding-Weapon_W0QQitemZ330086426223QQihZ014QQcategoryZ10951QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/1800s-Black-Purple-Glass-Naval-Boarding-Weapon_W0QQitemZ330088587670QQihZ014QQcategoryZ66638QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Amazing how they all have that spiraling around the neck.  Must be a commonly used adornment for bottle blowers around the world. Never trust a seller that provides lots of fluff information that really has little to do with the item they are selling, it's usually a smokescreen. Alan (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 7

RE: authentic saddle bottle San Fran? - 9/12/2010 11:34:59 PM    cryptozoon   Posts: 4 Joined: 9/10/2010 Status: offline I won this auction (~$50-$60.) I still haven't cleaned it, but the soot looks & feels as dry & permanent as you find on insulators along abandoned railroad grades; I could clean it with oxalic acid, but I won't; I'll keep it as documented in this thread. So far as the 1906 fire provenance, I could care less; the bottle's seller "sirmarkw" was known to me to be a liar, and I watched him sell his little Mexican "naval boarding weapons" ("decksweeper grenades") wondering if  he'd ever get shut down...then this one showed up in his listings as a "Persian saddle bottle"...which it may be; or may be not "Persian"- but a significant type bottle that I doubt has been produced in this size/weight/form in a very long time; indeed these larger bottles may be one of many(?) original types that were employed in the fabrication of "deck-sweepers" along with any other variety of  heavy "black glass" bottle that one might have handy? [The oft-repeated assertion that no bottles were filled with black powder and nails, etc.; wrapped in tar-and-canvas and fitted with a rope around the neck for hanging & throwing is probably incorrect...at least some historical documentation alludes to this as being commonly  practiced.] I'm still researching iron punty pontilled bottles like this one, and will start a new thread someday when I'm ready...in the meantime, here's another old topic, I thought could be refreshed! ~Mark  (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 8

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