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boarding vessel bottles? - 12/22/2006 4:56:16 PM    tigermaple1855   Posts: 90 Joined: 10/18/2003 Status: offline Please tell me I'm not going crazy.  Earlier this afternoon I read a post from Kungfufighter(Jeff) about these bottles.  I then spoke to friend of mine about them, as he has purchased a few.  I came back to the website to ask Jeff for more info and the post seems to have disappeared???  Has it been pulled for some reason?  If not, can you elaborate on your original post Jeff.  Thanks, Dean Post #: 1

RE: boarding vessel bottles? - 12/22/2006 5:45:57 PM    capsoda Posts: 9832 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Here is the link to it. http://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/m_85086/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#85141  _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ http://www.bornagainamerican.org (in reply to tigermaple1855) Post #: 2

RE: boarding vessel bottles? - 12/22/2006 5:51:18 PM    kungfufighter Posts: 1211 Joined: 2/18/2005 Status: offline Kudos to Marlena for adding a disclaimer to her auctions: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320064175005&sspagename=ADME:B:AAQ:US:1 I think that sirmarkw's response is telling, don't you? (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 3

RE: boarding vessel bottles? - 12/22/2006 6:09:16 PM    tigermaple1855   Posts: 90 Joined: 10/18/2003 Status: offline Hi Jeff, Tried to respond to your message but I couldn't make it work.  Perhaps we can all help to shut this down.  Our best to Holly and we hope you have a great holiday.  Dean & Anne (in reply to kungfufighter) Post #: 4

RE: boarding vessel bottles? - 12/22/2006 6:18:47 PM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2238 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline One thing that scares the heck out of me about this guys other auctions is; The amount of Scrimshaw pieces he has listed. Geesh  he must have the market cornered!!!! The only item there I would say is real for sure is the Jumbo Peanut Butter Jar. _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to kungfufighter) Post #: 5

RE: boarding vessel bottles? - 12/22/2006 6:23:21 PM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2238 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline I'm sorry if I'm misunderstood on this post...I meant the auction link in the other post not this one. I assume they are two different people. _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to zanes_antiques) Post #: 6

RE: boarding vessel bottles? - 12/23/2006 5:14:00 AM    appliedtop   Posts: 54 Joined: 12/19/2006 Status: offline Come on. It's like art deco stuff. It's so obvious to anyone who knows anything about glass. Even us lowly diggers and collectors. How many purple dutch onions do you see?   (in reply to tigermaple1855) Post #: 7

RE: boarding vessel bottles? - 12/23/2006 3:10:12 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 11470 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Is there any evidence that anything even remotely similar to this was used? I have seen iron grenades that were used in the Civil War but have never heard of glass grenades other than the fire extinguishing type. Any truth or all fantasy? The items in the auctions look similar to saddle flasks (albeit modern artsy ones)  _____________________________ FREE Online Medicine Guide - http://www.antiquemedicines.com/MedicineNexus/Nexus.htm Web Site - http://antiquemedicines.com Email : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to appliedtop) Post #: 8

RE: boarding vessel bottles? - 12/23/2006 4:09:44 PM    capsoda Posts: 9832 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline The use of grenades by Pirates is fairly well documented. Black beard was infamous for this. The ones I have seen pics of were small round glass balls like a target ball and were kept in a wooden box full of wood shavings. They were filled with gun powder or a flamable liquid. Never seen the word deck sweepers used in anything I have ever read about them. The navys that were after Pirate ships didn't use them because they didn't want the Pirate ships they wanted them sunk. I _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ http://www.bornagainamerican.org (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 9

RE: boarding vessel bottles? - 12/23/2006 5:20:08 PM    kungfufighter Posts: 1211 Joined: 2/18/2005 Status: offline Looks like the winds may be shifting... http://cgi.ebay.com/NOT-17-century-Naval-Boarding-Deck-Sweeper-NOT_W0QQitemZ230069858161QQihZ013QQcategoryZ13909QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 10

RE: boarding vessel bottles? - 12/23/2006 5:34:29 PM    kungfufighter Posts: 1211 Joined: 2/18/2005 Status: offline Amazing.  Looks like a deck sweeper, smells like a deck sweeper but http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Color-Freeblown-Bladder-Flask-with-Crude-Pontil_W0QQitemZ330066348949QQihZ014QQcategoryZ13909QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Surprise!  It's just a rare freeblown bottle from a local collection... < Message edited by kungfufighter -- 12/23/2006 6:02:57 PM > (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 11

RE: boarding vessel bottles? - 12/23/2006 5:54:13 PM    tigermaple1855   Posts: 90 Joined: 10/18/2003 Status: offline He's clever isn't he.  I think the word is going out though. (in reply to kungfufighter) Post #: 12

RE: boarding vessel bottles? - 12/23/2006 6:55:23 PM    appliedtop   Posts: 54 Joined: 12/19/2006 Status: offline Funny thing is that this seller had some utility type bottles that he claimed he dug at Valley Forge before it was a park. I emailed him and we gat into a mini argument about the origin of his bottles which weren't even pontiled by the way.  This was a few weeks ago and he also claimed that he had them verified by the Smithsonian Institute if you can believe that.   (in reply to tigermaple1855) Post #: 13

RE: boarding vessel bottles? - 12/24/2006 12:10:32 AM    capsoda Posts: 9832 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline This is an excerp from a historical site about the weapons that were used at sea. I hilighted the description. Grenade These clumsy little bombs are unjustly feared by soldiers and gentlemen alike.  Although the military used iron grenades which explode in a cloud of fragments, most pirate grenades used simple ceramic shells.   Their fuses do not always burn at rhe same rate (especially in tropical climates like the Caribbean).  This allows them to be thrown back on occasion (by the daring victim).  Pirates often used a ceramic greanade, stuffed with tar and rags rather than explosive, creating a smokescreen of confusion and panic. A grenade weighs around 2-3 pounds and looks like a roundshot or clay pot with a fuse sticking out of it. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ http://www.bornagainamerican.org (in reply to appliedtop) Post #: 14

RE: boarding vessel bottles? - 12/24/2006 1:50:43 AM    Bottleman Posts: 936 Joined: 9/3/2004 From: Central Pennsylvania Status: offline I was actually going to make a post about theses auctions but then I read this one. I find it a little weird that these couple auctions are appearing all at once and I have never noticed these type of bottles on ebay before. Looking at the completed items that “ blueglass1bugcollector” was selling, it looks like a lot of their stuff is not original. Their black glass bottles that they claim to be old don’t have the same look at the original ones. Just my opinion though. I am glad some other people noticed something is wrong there too.    ~~Tom (in reply to tigermaple1855) Post #: 15

RE: boarding vessel bottles? - 12/24/2006 9:58:41 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 11470 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline quote: http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Color-Freeblown-Bladder-Flask-with-Crude-Pontil_W0QQitemZ330066348949QQihZ014QQcategoryZ13909QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Now that looks like the Arab/Persian style saddle flasks I have seen. here's the typical one you see... http://cgi.ebay.com/PALMER-GREEN-FREE-BLOWN-PERSIAN-SADDLE-FLASK-VERY-RARE_W0QQitemZ170060001819QQihZ007QQcategoryZ891QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem < Message edited by GuntherHess -- 12/24/2006 10:00:26 AM > _____________________________ FREE Online Medicine Guide - http://www.antiquemedicines.com/MedicineNexus/Nexus.htm Web Site - http://antiquemedicines.com Email : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to Bottleman) Post #: 16

RE: boarding vessel bottles? - 12/24/2006 10:27:58 AM    Bottle tumbler   Posts: 370 Joined: 4/5/2004 From: Noxen pa Status: offline Okay  < Message edited by Bottle tumbler -- 12/26/2006 7:47:37 PM > (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 17

RE: boarding vessel bottles? - 12/24/2006 10:26:13 PM    KentOhio   Posts: 966 Joined: 9/13/2004 Status: offline I like this one: 330066020651.  The dirt inside could fool more people. But look what he says: "I left the inside of this one dirty from the marsh so you can see that these are authentic." Then later in the ad he says: "Recovered from a black marsh area near Roanoke Island by eel gaffers in the early 1800's." So wait... It's been in peoples' houses for almost 200 years and no one has tried to clean it? Talk about LAZY... (in reply to Bottle tumbler) Post #: 18

RE: boarding vessel bottles? - something interesting - 12/25/2006 3:08:43 PM    adshepard   Posts: 349 Joined: 8/11/2004 Status: offline So I'm looking through the bidding history on one of these and I happen upon the fact that a buyer named "oxmyx" has purchased about a dozen of these purported vessels from "sirmarkw" in the last month or so.  Something smells fishy and I'm not  near the ocean right now.   Alan (in reply to tigermaple1855) Post #: 19

RE: boarding vessel bottles? - something interesting - 12/25/2006 5:30:34 PM    Bottle tumbler   Posts: 370 Joined: 4/5/2004 From: Noxen pa Status: offline Looks like this one is going to high, hmmm looks funny to me. 320064175005 < Message edited by Bottle tumbler -- 12/25/2006 5:34:46 PM > (in reply to adshepard) Post #: 20

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