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dug Madonna - 7/25/2007 3:58:58 PM    druggistnut Posts: 370 Joined: 1/7/2006 From: Otisville, Michigan Status: offline Dug this a while back and haven't cleaned it yet. Thought the handle was unusual. Sand chip pontil? Stands just shy of six inches. There is an angel with outstretched arms near the base. More pics available. I'll post several here, consecutively. Thoughts on age, origin, collectibility, etc are welcomed. Thanks, Bill Attachment (1) _____________________________ Michigan drugstore bottles/dose glasses, jugs, etc... Any paper from Mich drugstores, pre 1900. Mich. blob beers/sodas, hutches. Anything unusual from Michigan, i.e., paper from bottlers, etc... Buy or trade President-Flint, Michigan FOHBC Club Post #: 1

RE: dug Madonna - 7/25/2007 4:01:52 PM    druggistnut Posts: 370 Joined: 1/7/2006 From: Otisville, Michigan Status: offline another Attachment (1) _____________________________ Michigan drugstore bottles/dose glasses, jugs, etc... Any paper from Mich drugstores, pre 1900. Mich. blob beers/sodas, hutches. Anything unusual from Michigan, i.e., paper from bottlers, etc... Buy or trade President-Flint, Michigan FOHBC Club (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 2

RE: dug Madonna - 7/25/2007 4:03:09 PM    druggistnut Posts: 370 Joined: 1/7/2006 From: Otisville, Michigan Status: offline base Attachment (1) _____________________________ Michigan drugstore bottles/dose glasses, jugs, etc... Any paper from Mich drugstores, pre 1900. Mich. blob beers/sodas, hutches. Anything unusual from Michigan, i.e., paper from bottlers, etc... Buy or trade President-Flint, Michigan FOHBC Club (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 3

RE: dug Madonna - 7/25/2007 4:09:12 PM    druggistnut Posts: 370 Joined: 1/7/2006 From: Otisville, Michigan Status: offline another Attachment (1) _____________________________ Michigan drugstore bottles/dose glasses, jugs, etc... Any paper from Mich drugstores, pre 1900. Mich. blob beers/sodas, hutches. Anything unusual from Michigan, i.e., paper from bottlers, etc... Buy or trade President-Flint, Michigan FOHBC Club (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 4

RE: dug Madonna - 7/25/2007 4:10:42 PM    druggistnut Posts: 370 Joined: 1/7/2006 From: Otisville, Michigan Status: offline one more Attachment (1) _____________________________ Michigan drugstore bottles/dose glasses, jugs, etc... Any paper from Mich drugstores, pre 1900. Mich. blob beers/sodas, hutches. Anything unusual from Michigan, i.e., paper from bottlers, etc... Buy or trade President-Flint, Michigan FOHBC Club (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 5

RE: dug Madonna - 7/25/2007 5:03:35 PM    sweetrelease   Posts: 660 Joined: 7/20/2006 From: hammonton ,nj Status: offline that's sweet, pun intended! looks like a clean break with a pontil rod to me but i'm no expert.anyway you look at it, it is a nice find .good job,matt < Message edited by sweetrelease -- 7/25/2007 5:05:15 PM > (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 6

RE: dug Madonna - 7/25/2007 5:32:10 PM    KentOhio   Posts: 732 Joined: 9/13/2004 Status: offline Those are supposed to be from Mexico, blown sometime around the 1960s. (in reply to sweetrelease) Post #: 7

RE: dug Madonna - 7/25/2007 5:54:26 PM    bottlenutboy Posts: 2137 Joined: 10/10/2006 From: Bordensprings, Ala. or Esom Hill, Ga. Status: offline thats kind of hard to believe since he dug this one... _____________________________ bottles for sale on my website! go check it out! http://www.geocities.com/cleburneslim/index.html?1170417418125 also check out the same bottles on my freewebs site!: http://www.freewebs.com/bottlenutboy/forsale.htm Spencer (in reply to KentOhio) Post #: 8

RE: dug Madonna - 7/25/2007 6:22:50 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 5157 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline The solid pontil , applied handle, poor glass quality, and lip style all seem to say later Mexico. Maybe some crude european import. You dont see the solid pontil mark on early stuff in my experience. Just my opinion. < Message edited by GuntherHess -- 7/25/2007 6:25:54 PM > _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to bottlenutboy) Post #: 9

RE: dug Madonna - 7/25/2007 6:30:38 PM    bottlenutboy Posts: 2137 Joined: 10/10/2006 From: Bordensprings, Ala. or Esom Hill, Ga. Status: offline quote: solid pontil mark im seeing an open pontil, am i the only one? _____________________________ bottles for sale on my website! go check it out! http://www.geocities.com/cleburneslim/index.html?1170417418125 also check out the same bottles on my freewebs site!: http://www.freewebs.com/bottlenutboy/forsale.htm Spencer (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 10

RE: dug Madonna - 7/25/2007 6:34:32 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 5157 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline its kind of an odd blobby mark with maybe a partial curve of a rod there. Definately looks atypical but I may be looking at photo wrong. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to bottlenutboy) Post #: 11

RE: dug Madonna - 7/25/2007 6:38:43 PM    bottlenutboy Posts: 2137 Joined: 10/10/2006 From: Bordensprings, Ala. or Esom Hill, Ga. Status: offline even still, alot of early english bottles have the solid rod pontil, for some reason it seems like i heard somewhere that these were supposed to be TOC, but i dont know why or where i heard that, so take it with a grain of salt _____________________________ bottles for sale on my website! go check it out! http://www.geocities.com/cleburneslim/index.html?1170417418125 also check out the same bottles on my freewebs site!: http://www.freewebs.com/bottlenutboy/forsale.htm Spencer (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 12

RE: dug Madonna - 7/25/2007 9:05:08 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3801 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: offline There are american made handeled Madonna's with open pontils. they stand about a foot tall though and are blue. rick. (in reply to bottlenutboy) Post #: 13

RE: dug Madonna - 7/25/2007 9:11:34 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 5157 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline It certainly looks like it was buried for a while. I'd like to hear where it was found and in what other stuff was found with it. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 14

RE: dug Madonna - 7/26/2007 12:10:47 AM    KentOhio   Posts: 732 Joined: 9/13/2004 Status: offline That looks like a solid pontil. An open pontil looks like a hollow ring. The early flint glass bottles had solid pontils. But other than those, a solid pontil is usually a sign of newer art glass. The glass handle was applied from the bottom and pulled up. Odd as it seems, that wasn't done until the 1870s and later. (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 15

RE: dug Madonna - 7/26/2007 3:45:29 AM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2027 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline    I was thinking the same age by the handle. It's very similar to ones on Victorian Art Glass. If it is vintage 1870 or so it also kinda looke like an irregular improved pontil hinge mold. Anyone elso see it that way? Just one thing odd is the bubbles. What does the wear pattern on the base look like? < Message edited by zanes_antiques -- 7/26/2007 3:47:26 AM > _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to KentOhio) Post #: 16

RE: dug Madonna - 7/26/2007 4:16:33 AM    kastoo   Posts: 1280 Joined: 9/7/2004 From: Lagrange, GA Status: offline Looks like the real deal to me too....and since it was dug that just adds to the authenticity (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 17

RE: dug Madonna - 7/26/2007 8:55:05 AM    appliedlips Posts: 1705 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline    I think it looks more Mexican than a lowrider on it's way to a pinata party!The lip,pontil,bubbles,and handle all look wrong.There are Victorian era Madonna bottles as someone mentioned but this doesn't appear to be one.There would be no purpose for a handle on a bottle of this size,I think it is a fantasy bottle from down South.Just my two cents,Doug (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 18

RE: dug Madonna - 7/26/2007 10:11:51 PM    Digger George   Posts: 316 Joined: 10/5/2006 From: PHILAD'A PA Status: offline Did you dig this in a dump, if so what age? I sold an identicle one on ebay for $9.99. It had a made in mexico sticker on it. _____________________________ "Everything on the earth has a purpose, every disease an herb to cure it, and every person a mission. This is the Indian theory of existence." - Mourning Dove [Christine Quintasket] (1888-1936) Salish (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 19

RE: dug Madonna - 7/27/2007 5:34:16 AM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline All the known to be Mexico that I've seen don't have the extra girth detail at the bottom. They were taller and straighter than this one. I'd also like to see what era finds came with it. I found a Wheaton miniature in the past that was scattered with some 70's back to 40's stuff which was close to some TOC. Does anyone remember the tales of people burying stuff to age them? Maybe they forgot where this was buried. _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric If you love what your doing it might be illegal, so watch your back. (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 20

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