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ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 11/30/2007 12:51:00 AM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline I need help this one is Embossed with the Albertson Mathews patent on the bottom with a traditional Hutchinson style blob top. It's unclear what type of closure this bottle was intended for.  I have never even heard of another Mathews in amber.  I am going through the process of trying to figure this odd ball out.  My guess on the blob and the bottom patent is that they used an old mold to make a newer Hutchinson style bottle.  I would appreciate any information any one can give about this bottle and any information about any other colored Mathews bottles.  Attachment (1) _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! Post #: 1

RE: ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 11/30/2007 12:53:24 AM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline This is the bottom with the Mathews/Albertson embossing Attachment (1) _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 2

RE: ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 11/30/2007 8:15:56 AM    cobaltbot Posts: 1693 Joined: 4/7/2006 From: Delta, PA Status: offline You're website is awesome, haven't made time to cruise through all of it.....yet. tradition Hutchinson style blob top I don't get and it won't be the last time... educate me Thats a sweet looking bottle _____________________________ My tombstone will read: He went out for a walk and never came back.... (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 3

RE: ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 11/30/2007 9:16:19 AM    idigjars Posts: 1340 Joined: 12/24/2004 From: Michigan Status: offline Hello Mr Bottles, you have a nice website, thanks for sharing that link.   Paul (in reply to cobaltbot) Post #: 4

RE: ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 11/30/2007 11:35:43 AM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Hey thanks guys on the site.  It is a work in progress and always will be and positive feedback is a good motivator.  I run a web development company so I have access to some pretty incredible resources and have very talented people at my disposal.  I am adding a couple of new features before Christmas as a treat for collectors.  What I mean by the traditional Hutchinson blob is that the bottle does not have the top of every other Mathews stopper bottle.  Even the Albertson patent has pictures of the short squat blobs that are the only top I ever saw on a Mathews other than this bottle. Like this; http://www.mrbottles.com/galleryimage.asp?ID=1492 The color is a pretty huge deal too in that I have seen hundreds if not thousands of Mathews bottles and have never even heard of an amber one or really any other colored examples.  I have heard rumors of a few cobalt examples but can find nothing on them anywhere on the web.  This bottle is a dramatic/beautiful example of a colored Hutchinson with this EXACT same blob.  http://www.mrbottles.com/galleryimage.asp?ID=3193  You can see the shoulders are a lot more pronounced on the Hutch but looking at the two together up close I can tell you the blob tops are exactly the same.  With this one I am hoping someone might have a similar bottle with a glass makers mark on it and I would just like to hear other people’s opinions AND I would absolutely love to see other colored Mathews patent stopper bottles.   http://www.mrbottles.com/galleryimage.asp?ID=3193 < Message edited by mrbottles -- 11/30/2007 11:44:30 AM > _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! (in reply to idigjars) Post #: 5

RE: ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 11/30/2007 2:21:23 PM    cobaltbot Posts: 1693 Joined: 4/7/2006 From: Delta, PA Status: offline Thanks for clearing that up.  I thought you were saying it had a traditional hutch style blob and that didn't make sense.  I would love to find one of the Albertson Mathews patent bottles with the stopper.  Your amber top looks like an older squat style top to me.  Maybe an employee was playing around and put an older style top on the newer base using amber glass. < Message edited by cobaltbot -- 11/30/2007 6:48:49 PM > _____________________________ My tombstone will read: He went out for a walk and never came back.... (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 6

RE: ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 11/30/2007 2:41:27 PM    capsoda Posts: 7917 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Hey Steve, How are things up in the frozen north? Where you keep finding all the weird bottles? Can you post a picture of the inside of the lip?  Never mind I have already found it. It is a reworked bottle that would have stopped just short of the blob and would have used a plunger. Patent 44684 Oct 11, 1864. The mould was reworked to become the Mathews gravitating stopper. Your bottle is one of these inbetween ****izations. It took a stopper just like a graviting stopper except instead of having the rubber bulb that fits over the bulbous end at the bottom of the stopper, like the ones Bob sent me, it used a gasket that fit in a grove on the bottom of the stopper. The stoppers are clear glass and have PATENT / AUG. 26, 1862 / OCT. 11 1864 / APRIL 15, 1873 on them. They will also accept the rubber bulb like the gravitating stopper so your chances of finding one is good. It all boils down to this,  it is a go between the plunger bottle and the gravitating stopper bottle and YOU HAVE A VERY FRICKIN RARE BOTTLE. I have included a picture of the plunger on the left and the go between on the right. Do I get a cookie or what...... Attachment (1) < Message edited by capsoda -- 11/30/2007 3:52:48 PM > _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to cobaltbot) Post #: 7

RE: ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 11/30/2007 5:10:49 PM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Hi Warren, Isn’t this cool?  Zwietusch was into unusual bottles.  He realized that what everybody now knows different packaging can get your product recognized.  That spring stopper bottle is his too.  I will post the picture later tonight if I can get a decent one in the dark after I get home.  It does have some light scuffing in the inside mouth like a Hutch stopper would make and none of the rush around the bail that a Putnam stopper tends to leave. If anybody can you should be able to tell me of other colored examples from anywhere.  I would really like to see them or at least know about them. Life in Wisconsin is cold right now.  It really feels like winter today.  I’ll fill you in more later. Steven _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 8

RE: ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 11/30/2007 5:30:08 PM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline HA!  No I don’t think that is it Warren.  Look at the blob on the patent.  This one has the early style Hutchinson blob or even a pre Hutchinson blob.  While the normal Mathews glass stopper seems unlikely because you would not be able to reach the stopper that is even more unlikely because you wouldn’t be able to reach the stopper.  You would need a tool to push the stopper down.  What else you got for me? Hey what about other colored examples?  Are there any known? Steven _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 9

RE: ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 11/30/2007 7:45:59 PM    capsoda Posts: 7917 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline You didn't think I was right about the spring loaded stopper but i can assure you that yours is the inbetween bottle and there arent many around. That is the only picture I could find of the stopper. If you will notice the patent dates on the stopper you will see that the stopper could be used in the earlyer bottle (1864) or the gravitating stopper bottle (1875). It is right here in Soda and Beer Bottle Closures 1850 to 1910. < Message edited by capsoda -- 11/30/2007 7:58:08 PM > _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 10

RE: ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 12/1/2007 7:44:14 AM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline I will take a couple of pictures of the blobs that you asked for when the sun comes up.  This is a close us of the bottom Attachment (1) _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 11

RE: ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 12/1/2007 7:58:48 AM    capsoda Posts: 7917 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline The later bottles had Bottle Made By around the circumfurance of the bottom where yours says Stopper Made Buy Alberson's. The rest is the same. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 12

RE: ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 12/1/2007 8:03:13 AM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Hi Warren did you say that backward?  Mine is BY.  That could be a critical piece of information in figuring out exactly what this bottle is.  Did that come from David Graci's book?  I have a copy i just don't know i put it. Steven _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 13

RE: ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 12/1/2007 9:43:26 AM    appliedlips Posts: 1705 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline     Congratulations on a very nice find.I think the blob top fits very well with the date of the bottle,just not with Matthews patent.Most of these gravitating type bottles or older than many hutches and that blob fits the early hutches or late pony blobs.I have never seen a color (other than maybe teal) colored Matthews bottle.Great bottle and possibly unique.I do not believe it could have used a gravitating stopper,either.Thanks for sharing.Doug < Message edited by appliedlips -- 12/1/2007 9:49:20 AM > (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 14

RE: ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 12/1/2007 10:12:13 AM    capsoda Posts: 7917 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Yep Steven, It is in David Graci's book. If you look closely at the picture I posted you will see that neither of the stoppers shown are gravitating stoppers. They are both plungers. They were simply pushed down and allowed to fall to the bottom. David Graci's book states that the first one (left) was a closing device that would become the Mathews gravitating stopper. The second one was the next step toward the gravitating stopper. < Message edited by capsoda -- 12/1/2007 10:14:41 AM > _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 15

RE: ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 12/1/2007 11:53:27 AM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Hi Doug, yes this one in nice!  It’s the first bottle to really make me wonder since Warren figured out the spiral spring stopper with the help of David Graci.  I think you are right on the color.  Now that you say teal I have seen some that were very deep aqua.  So far one friend has told me that there are a couple of cobalt colored Mathews bottles known nationally.  He has never seen them though and I can’t track that lead any farther than that.  If Warren did say it correctly that the later version is embossed, “BY” on the bottom I would be just about certain the top was made for a hutch.  If not then I would think it was for a cork.  Those two sentences will bring the great Capsoda to bear on the issue.  So maybe he will post the extra long plunge stopper patent next. What do you think Cappy?  If it is the late embossing does that point to this bottle top being intended to utilize a hutch stopper? Look at the two blobs together... I have found at least a half dozen Mathews stopper bottles and we have a place that has an underwater glass dump from a bottler with thousands of broken Mathews bottles.  I never knew there were two embossing for the patent until today.  Cappy you are my sensei and I am your grasshopper!  Hey how do you see your keyboard with those all white eyes? Warren Here are the pictures you asked for yesterday. Attachment (1) _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 16

RE: ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 12/1/2007 11:55:31 AM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline The one on the right is a known Hutchinson.  You can see it has totally different shoulders yet the blob could be from the same tool.  This one is the top view you asked for.  Again, they are the same. Attachment (1) _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 17

RE: ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 12/1/2007 11:59:53 AM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline P.S. Warren,  All that fighting to get good pictures of colored bottles...  I got a new Nikon and it is childs play now.  Much better lens.  Decent light ='s good pictures. Steven _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 18

RE: ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 12/1/2007 7:14:48 PM    CanYouDigIt!   Posts: 37 Joined: 3/26/2005 Status: offline Hi Steve  Congrats on your recent find , thats an awesome discovery. That website of yours is fantastic! Im a regular visitor there and love all the stories and bottle galleries, and collector showcases. My favorites from Wisconsin are the Lindestrom, and Zwietusch gravs and spring stopper bottles as well as the Wolf's bottles. Out of curiosity are there any other known bottlers within the USA who used that spring stopper type closure of Otto's? Best regards Vic _____________________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. "Jimi Hendrix" (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 19

RE: ex rare amber Mathews/Hutchinson - 12/1/2007 9:18:07 PM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Hi Vic, Thanks for the feedback.  I’m glad you like the site.  A lot of people contribute.  Feel free to join the forum over there or to submit articles or hunt stories. The spring stopper bottles are actually the first incarnation of the Albertsons Mathews gravitating stopper.  That is part of one of the hall of fame stories.  I am in the process of rebuilding the hall of fame gallery.  This is a link to that story. http://www.mrbottles.com/productdetails.asp?ID=10 There is at least one other from I think New York.  Before the Wisconsin bottles turned up no one had ever seen the coil spring stopper other than on the patent.  I only know of three whole stoppers and they all came from the same under water bottler dump where there are thousands of broken Mathews bottles.  My brother actually found a huge pile of the stoppers scuba diving and brought back all he could carry to the tune of hundreds.  In fact Warren (Capsoda) was a big part of bringing the patent to the bottle or the other way around.  Steven _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! (in reply to CanYouDigIt!) Post #: 20

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