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flask..new or old? - 7/24/2007 11:59:41 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3608 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: online all opinions welcome... Attachment (1) Post #: 1

RE: flask..new or old? - 7/25/2007 12:04:19 AM    druggistnut Posts: 334 Joined: 1/7/2006 Status: offline It's got that "Mexican" color going. I don't see anything for base wear. The lip is wrong. On those things (without holding it) I would say "Memorex." A super nice looking piece, that I would certainly display.  Where did you come up with it? That makes a big diff, too, if it was unearthed. Bill _____________________________ Michigan drugstore bottles/dose glasses, jugs, etc... Any paper from Mich drugstores, pre 1900. Mich. blob beers/sodas, hutches. Anything unusual from Michigan, i.e., paper from bottlers, etc... Buy or trade President-Flint, Michigan FOHBC Club (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 2

RE: flask..new or old? - 7/25/2007 12:19:57 AM    bottlenutboy Posts: 2137 Joined: 10/10/2006 From: Bordensprings, Ala. or Esom Hill, Ga. Status: offline im sure it is a reproduction of some sort, but have yet to have figured out who made it, i have the same one is emerald green, its not clevenger because the clevenger repro of this flask isnt pontiled, and its too big and heavy for MMA so i dont know who did it _____________________________ bottles for sale on my website! go check it out! http://www.geocities.com/cleburneslim/index.html?1170417418125 also check out the same bottles on my freewebs site!: http://www.freewebs.com/bottlenutboy/forsale.htm Spencer (in reply to druggistnut) Post #: 3

RE: flask..new or old? - 7/25/2007 7:18:25 AM    kungfufighter   Posts: 170 Joined: 2/18/2005 Status: online Not quite a reproduction (in that there are no flasks of the period made in this pattern) but rather a modern fantasy flask... (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 4

RE: flask..new or old? - 7/25/2007 9:30:41 AM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline quote: Not quite a reproduction (in that there are no flasks of the period made in this pattern) but rather a modern fantasy flask... There were some similar bottles in ABF. Refer to page 360 for instance. Also some Czech bottles from the 30's are known. I have seen these with the +'s that are called midwestern on the bay but I doubt it. _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric If you love what your doing it might be illegal, so watch your back. (in reply to kungfufighter) Post #: 5

RE: flask..new or old? - 7/25/2007 6:10:02 PM    kungfufighter   Posts: 170 Joined: 2/18/2005 Status: online Good evening Eric.  It is a pleasure to make your acquaintance.  In rereading my post it now seems clear that I should have stated that flasks of this type were not made in the FIRST period of production (said from an American's standpoint but it holds true for other, earlier European flasks) because you are correct in stating that the Czechs made flasks of this general type in the 30s, which some folks might now consider to be "early."  The flasks you reference on page 360 in McKearin's ABF were blown in dip or pieced molds and expanded to size (hence the variation in the size and shape of the diamonds) while the piece in question certainly appears to have been blown in a full sized two-piece mold (an assumption made based upon the uniformity of the design).  Usage of full-sized two-piece molds in the production of "pattern molded" flasks is not known until the the early Twentieth century, when the value of "Stiegel" flasks was such that the fakers found a ready market for their wares.  I am not knowledgeable enough to say if the piece in question is a 30s Czech flask or a later object yet but I can say with relative certainty that is is not a flask of the nineteeth century.  (in reply to cowseatmaize) Post #: 6

RE: flask..new or old? - 7/26/2007 3:18:51 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3608 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: online thank you all! Especially Spence...bona fortuna! (in reply to kungfufighter) Post #: 7

RE: flask..new or old? - 7/27/2007 7:58:46 AM    amblypygi Posts: 452 Joined: 4/6/2004 From: Western Massachusetts Status: offline I have this exact same flask (see pic). I agree that it's a modern "fantasy flask". I got it from an antique dealer in Massachusetts for whom I was listing it on ebay. When it didn't sell he just told me to keep it. He thought it was Clevenger, but I don't know. All I can say is nobody wanted to give us 9.99 for it, so now I put pennies in it :) Sean Attachment (1) (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 8

RE: flask..new or old? - 7/27/2007 8:05:50 AM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline I forgot about this link. It's a different lip though. http://www.bottlebooks.com/clevenge.htm _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric If you love what your doing it might be illegal, so watch your back. (in reply to amblypygi) Post #: 9

RE: flask..new or old? - 7/27/2007 9:56:34 AM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2020 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline Did Clevenger make any of their own styles or just replicas of previous types? It looks to me like these were made by two different places. Is their any wear on the base. If it's early it would have strong wear most likely. _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to cowseatmaize) Post #: 10

RE: flask..new or old? - 7/27/2007 1:59:31 PM    ricntammy05   Posts: 4 Joined: 7/27/2007 Status: offline DOES THE SEAM ON YOUR BOTTLE GO TO THE TOP, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IN THE PIC, I HAVE ONE LIKE IT AND THE SEAM STOPS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE NECK. (in reply to amblypygi) Post #: 11

RE: flask..new or old? - 7/27/2007 3:14:10 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3608 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: online nope stops just above the neck. from the information gathered I'd say they are czech or clevenger and worth about $20-$25 Lobey. (in reply to ricntammy05) Post #: 12

RE: flask..new or old? - 7/27/2007 3:27:07 PM    amblypygi Posts: 452 Joined: 4/6/2004 From: Western Massachusetts Status: offline Mine has no neck seam either, I agree with the list folks that these are probably Clevenger. Tom Haughton would know but I don't have his contact information any more. Sean (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 13

RE: flask..new or old? - 7/27/2007 11:04:30 PM    ricntammy05   Posts: 4 Joined: 7/27/2007 Status: offline HI WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SELL THIS BOTTLE, I AM INTERESTED. THANKS TAMMY (in reply to amblypygi) Post #: 14

RE: flask..new or old? - 7/28/2007 1:48:41 AM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline I keep seeing these show up on eBay...In some instances they are called "poison flasks"... Some are pontilled, some are smooth base... Believe this one discussed here is a Clevenger Bros example...as is Spence's green one. _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 15

RE: flask..new or old? - 7/28/2007 1:52:50 AM    bottlenutboy Posts: 2137 Joined: 10/10/2006 From: Bordensprings, Ala. or Esom Hill, Ga. Status: offline quote: as is Spence's green one. so we decided it WAS a clevenger after all? _____________________________ bottles for sale on my website! go check it out! http://www.geocities.com/cleburneslim/index.html?1170417418125 also check out the same bottles on my freewebs site!: http://www.freewebs.com/bottlenutboy/forsale.htm Spencer (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 16

RE: flask..new or old? - 7/28/2007 2:02:53 AM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline For what it's worth: I have. Probably an early Clevenger and as time progressed and demand increased they stopped pontilling the flasks...much as many glass makers did . The Clevengers also tended to slightly flare the mouths on their flasks and the straighter necks were also a sign of more "hurried" methods. Later: they began making the ruffled mouths and adding pontils that differ from their earlier glass pieces... JMHO...but maybe I can get Tom Haunton to voice his opinion. _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to bottlenutboy) Post #: 17

RE: flask..new or old? - 7/28/2007 2:08:47 AM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline Some of Clevenger's early Washington/Taylor flasks have the flared mouth seen in this flask...later examples have a sheared mouth with a  straight neck,  and in some cases - the mouth wasn't even tooled smooth but  merely ground and left rough. As they progressed to a more "art glass" form to attract a larger market,  the ruffled mouths and added pontils became part of their glass making  catalog, as did more colors and a greater assortment of bottles, flasks, vases, decanters, etc. < Message edited by whiskeyman -- 7/28/2007 2:11:35 AM > _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 18

RE: flask..new or old? - 7/28/2007 7:05:02 AM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline When the auction ends can you post the link? I'd like to see what the seller says. _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric If you love what your doing it might be illegal, so watch your back. (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 19

RE: flask..new or old? - 7/28/2007 7:15:47 AM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline Never mind, I found it. http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Hand-Blown-Green-Blue-Glass-Vase-Bottle-PONTIL_ W0QQitemZ200132320925QQihZ010QQcategoryZ988QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric If you love what your doing it might be illegal, so watch your back. (in reply to cowseatmaize) Post #: 20

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