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ground off hy - 6/12/2006 2:29:42 AM    madman Posts: 10081 Joined: 2/5/2005 Status: offline hey gang heres a wierd one, i believe the ace hy brand name was changed to ace beverages, and they used the old ace hy bottles, somone painstaknly ground off the HY on the bottles to be used again for ace, my buddy found one from the miller becker co. cleveland oh. i found  one today that reads the electro pure bottling works toledo ohio   mike Attachment (1) < Message edited by madman -- 6/12/2006 2:31:18 AM > Post #: 1

RE: ground off hy - 6/12/2006 2:34:36 AM    madman Posts: 10081 Joined: 2/5/2005 Status: offline close up Attachment (1) < Message edited by madman -- 6/12/2006 2:36:21 AM > (in reply to madman) Post #: 2

RE: ground off hy - 6/12/2006 3:28:17 AM    capsoda Posts: 9823 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Hey Mike, It's always cool to find bottles with a story. I guess the bottles could make or break the company. We had a bottler here who ordered six different bottles and two were in teal. That is what sank his company. He ordered too many before he ever opened the doors and could never make enough money to pay them off. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ http://www.bornagainamerican.org (in reply to madman) Post #: 3

RE: ground off hy - 7/27/2010 2:55:31 PM    JayBeck   Posts: 389 Joined: 3/18/2010 From: Ohio Status: online Rather than start a new post about this bottle, I dug up this post from a few years ago hoping someone here now might have some additional info. I just found one of these from Cleveland and was wondering if it was just the name change or what had happened. Even more interesting to see they did the same thing in Toledo. I wonder if they got sued or something for using the name or they just wanted to change it but it seems like a lot of effort to grind the HY off all those bottles for no good reason. (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 4

RE: ground off hy - 7/27/2010 4:26:32 PM    celerycola   Posts: 1023 Joined: 2/20/2004 From: Alabama Status: offline I've seen a lot of these with the Hy ground off. Ace Hy was a brand of fruit-flavored beverages owned by Miller-Becker of Cleveland and bottled there and other towns as franchises. They were sued by Nehi due to the similar name and had to remove Hy from the bottles as a result. Later bottles were embossed simply Ace. This wasn't the first time Miller-Becker found themselves in a trademark battle. Around 1910 they bottled a drink called Cola-Coke that was sued by Coca-Cola. After that they bottled My-Coca which was sued by Coca-Cola. In 1920 they got the franchise for Taka-Kola (based in Richmond VA) which was sued by Coca-Cola in a landmark suit that set a precedent for years. (in reply to JayBeck) Post #: 5

RE: ground off hy - 7/27/2010 5:25:42 PM    JayBeck   Posts: 389 Joined: 3/18/2010 From: Ohio Status: online Thanks for the info! I suspected that something like that had happened. You mention later bottles being embossed only with Ace but I can't think of one that I have seen other than the amber squat Ace Ginger Beer. Is there a bottle like the clear Ace Hy out there that just has Ace? I have a few different Miller-Becker bottles but now I really want a Cola-Coke and Taka-Cola. I've seen the My Coca before but I don't have that one from Cleveland. < Message edited by JayBeck -- 7/27/2010 5:26:54 PM > (in reply to celerycola) Post #: 6

RE: ground off hy - 7/27/2010 5:49:06 PM    celerycola   Posts: 1023 Joined: 2/20/2004 From: Alabama Status: offline There is an embossed Ace like the ground off bottle. I've seen a lot that were never ground. Miller Becker put out a chocolate drink in the same shape bottle, except 6 oz and amber, for Victoria Chocolate with the queens face embossed. I've had a couple of those. I have the Cleveland My-Coca. I have never seen the bottles for Cola-Coke and Taka-Kola from Cleveland - only other towns. If you're going to the National Bottle Show in Ohio August 7th look me up. I'll have lots of sodas on my table. (in reply to JayBeck) Post #: 7

RE: ground off hy - 7/27/2010 10:51:17 PM    bottleopop   Posts: 169 Joined: 2/15/2008 Status: offline There's also the Faygo Ace Beverages bottle with almost the same design. I don't know what the relationship in the Miller-Becker timeline is. Here's a picture from this forum. _____________________________ needs a bit of cleaning (in reply to celerycola) Post #: 8

RE: ground off hy - 7/28/2010 12:50:59 AM    carling Posts: 635 Joined: 9/30/2006 From: Cleveland, Ohio Status: offline Here's a photo of the amber Miller Becker chocolate drink "Victoria Chocolate" that celerycola mentioned above. And its green cousin by Miller Becker, "Victoria Extra Dry Ginger Ale". Rick Attachment (1) _____________________________ Always looking for CLEVELAND, Ohio ACL / Painted Label soda bottles, and CLEVELAND paper label sodas and beer bottles. (in reply to bottleopop) Post #: 9

RE: ground off hy - 7/28/2010 12:53:42 AM    carling Posts: 635 Joined: 9/30/2006 From: Cleveland, Ohio Status: offline embossing close-up Attachment (1) _____________________________ Always looking for CLEVELAND, Ohio ACL / Painted Label soda bottles, and CLEVELAND paper label sodas and beer bottles. (in reply to carling) Post #: 10

RE: ground off hy - 7/28/2010 5:34:34 AM    madman Posts: 10081 Joined: 2/5/2005 Status: offline nice bottles the electro pure bottling works of toledo ohio had the same bottles! _____________________________ always looking for, Toledo Ohio, Knoxville Tn. milks pharms and sodas, (in reply to carling) Post #: 11

RE: ground off hy - 7/28/2010 7:52:51 AM    cobaltbot Posts: 3876 Joined: 4/7/2006 From: Delta, PA Status: offline Cool info!  I dug a ground off Taka Kola and find the whole business interesting, now I'm learning that some companies have a continued track record of being forced to grind down bottles.  I'm guessing that was much cheaper than investing in new bottles.  Here's my old post on my Taka Kola: http://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/m-116061/mpage-1/key-Taka%252CKola/tm.htm#116062 _____________________________ My tombstone will read: He went out for a walk and never came back.... (in reply to madman) Post #: 12

RE: ground off Taka-Kola - 7/28/2010 8:25:44 AM    celerycola   Posts: 1023 Joined: 2/20/2004 From: Alabama Status: offline Taka-Kola and Old Dominion Beverage Co actually preceded the eight-sided Pepsi bottle in Richmond. Taka-Kola started in 1917 and was sued by Coca-Cola with the case coming to federal court in 1920. The judgment called for the removal of the Taka-Kola name from all advertising which included grinding the name from the bottles. They tried to continue as Takola but that effort was blocked by the court in 1921 causing Old Dominion to cease operations. When Roy Megargel rescued Pepsi from its first bankruptcy in 1921 he bought the defunct Taka-Kola plant at Richmond as his headquarters. He used the ground off Taka-Kola bottles temporarily until he was able to get a shipment of new eight sided bottles with Pepsi embossed. (in reply to cobaltbot) Post #: 13

RE: ground off Taka-Kola - 7/28/2010 8:53:47 AM    cobaltbot Posts: 3876 Joined: 4/7/2006 From: Delta, PA Status: offline Thanks for the info! _____________________________ My tombstone will read: He went out for a walk and never came back.... (in reply to celerycola) Post #: 14

RE: ground off Taka-Kola - 7/28/2010 2:09:05 PM    JayBeck   Posts: 389 Joined: 3/18/2010 From: Ohio Status: online I've been reading some old posts and found one from Madman that had a picture of an Ace bottle so I thought I would add it here since it is relevant Attachment (1) (in reply to cobaltbot) Post #: 15

RE: ground off Taka-Kola - 7/29/2010 10:57:05 PM    celerycola   Posts: 1023 Joined: 2/20/2004 From: Alabama Status: offline Circa 2910 wagon for Miller Becker and Coca-Coke in Cleveland Attachment (1) (in reply to JayBeck) Post #: 16

RE: ground off Taka-Kola - 7/29/2010 11:09:36 PM    celerycola   Posts: 1023 Joined: 2/20/2004 From: Alabama Status: offline Miller Becker's Victoria Chocolate bottle design patent. Attachment (1) (in reply to celerycola) Post #: 17

RE: ground off Taka-Kola - 7/30/2010 1:24:55 AM    carling Posts: 635 Joined: 9/30/2006 From: Cleveland, Ohio Status: offline Nice pictures, Dennis! Rick _____________________________ Always looking for CLEVELAND, Ohio ACL / Painted Label soda bottles, and CLEVELAND paper label sodas and beer bottles. (in reply to celerycola) Post #: 18

RE: ground off Taka-Kola - 8/11/2010 12:44:17 AM    carling Posts: 635 Joined: 9/30/2006 From: Cleveland, Ohio Status: offline Here's two more Ace bottles by Miller-Becker, one with Ace only, and the other with the Ace Hy. Ginger Beer bottles...... Attachment (1) _____________________________ Always looking for CLEVELAND, Ohio ACL / Painted Label soda bottles, and CLEVELAND paper label sodas and beer bottles. (in reply to carling) Post #: 19

RE: ground off Taka-Kola - 8/11/2010 12:49:23 AM    carling Posts: 635 Joined: 9/30/2006 From: Cleveland, Ohio Status: offline And a Miller-Becker cardboard sign, maybe 1920's. Not in the greatest shape, I'll probably cut off some of the right side of it and stick it in a frame. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Always looking for CLEVELAND, Ohio ACL / Painted Label soda bottles, and CLEVELAND paper label sodas and beer bottles. (in reply to carling) Post #: 20

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