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hassled by police again - 8/23/2007 5:15:20 AM    diggincajun Posts: 193 Joined: 8/8/2007 Status: offline Hello all, Went out Wednesday to a spot I saw the day before and probed, I finally hit glass and was digging my test hole and just pulled out a nice 1880, Jacksonville, Medical bottle and the hair stood on the back of my neck. Then I hear Sir what are you doing and I turn and there they were two cops. They told me I had to fill in the hole, but get this I had to put the bottle back in the hole. Makes me wonder if they aren't diggers also, I'll check it out Today if it was dug. But the property was up for sale by a commercial builder and I tried my best to convince them I was breaking no laws, I lose the arguement. Darn it just frustrates me when this happens and it shouldn't. Well good luck to all digging out there. Kim James diggincajun Post #: 1

RE: hassled by police again - 8/23/2007 11:31:52 AM    epgorge Posts: 2422 Joined: 12/29/2006 Status: offline Hey James, Try to find out who the commercial builder is. Try the police report. Then call him and ask permission. Tell him you will donate something to the local museum in his name. You never know. The worst he can say is no. Joel _____________________________ (in reply to diggincajun) Post #: 2

RE: hassled by police again - 8/23/2007 12:00:48 PM    citydigger   Posts: 81 Joined: 7/26/2007 Status: offline I would have gone back and re-dug just to get that bottle they made you throw back...go back and dig it at night. I have had to do that on several occasions. (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 3

RE: hassled by police again - 8/23/2007 12:15:55 PM    frank   Posts: 544 Joined: 3/13/2005 Status: offline Do night digg  all the bottle's will gone soon .. Once the put a house that site or wendy's will gone forever .!!! (in reply to citydigger) Post #: 4

RE: hassled by police again - 8/23/2007 1:53:41 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3809 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: online Technically your trespassing, so you are breaking the law. If you return and the same two show up again there might be a problem, especially if it's darktime. I'm sure all of us here have knocked out an officer or two in the past, but it never leads to pleasant and joyous moments. Get permission from the owner, there must be a sign there. More than likely they'll say yes. Lobey. (in reply to frank) Post #: 5

RE: hassled by police again - 8/23/2007 4:00:36 PM    diggincajun Posts: 193 Joined: 8/8/2007 Status: offline Hi everyone, I thought about a nite dig, area is not the best place to be at night. It's a commercial lot, being sold by a commercial realiter. No posted signs, no keep out signs open all around, right next to the highway. From what I know of the law I'm not tresspassing, I've been approached before by policeman and they just wanted to know what I was digging and once they learned what I was doing they just left me alone and told me to make sure I fill it in when done. I'm going there tommorow and check it out again and I'll try and call the realitor on this one. Thanks for the input. Kim James diggincajun (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 6

RE: hassled by police again - 8/23/2007 11:25:27 PM    JGUIS   Posts: 1705 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline If you don't own it or have written permission, you are trespassing.  If they would have let you keep the bottle, and the landowner wanted to press charges, they would have been letting you commit a theft.  This is all legal crap that I don't agree with, but real just the same.  Basically, if you went on a property without permission, and dug a thousand dollar bottle, and got caught getting in your car at the end of the dig by the owner, he could get you for criminal trespassing, destruction of property, and grand theft.  (If he was a real prick anyway)  Now that you've been run off by the fuzz once, returning and getting caught by the same ones almost guarantees a cuff and stuff.  Go back at night, at least 8 hours later than when you got caught the first time.  Shift change.  If it's company owned, don't waste your time unless you have an in with them.  Most companies are liability freaks, and are extremely hard permissions. < Message edited by JGUIS -- 8/23/2007 11:27:57 PM > _____________________________ A pipe gives a wise man time to think, and gives a fool something to stick in his mouth. (in reply to diggincajun) Post #: 7

RE: hassled by police again - 8/24/2007 4:59:15 AM    diggincajun Posts: 193 Joined: 8/8/2007 Status: offline Perhaps you are right that I was trespassing. Let me try and draw a picture of the area. It's a part of town that is out of the way from the busy humbug of the city. It's on a side street barely used by traffic. Not a nice place to be at night. This is what I believe to the situation. We have a well know Judge here in town that collects bottles and metal detecting, him and I have had several run in's on area's. He has lied to me about having permission from construction sites before. He know alot of cops and probably have them looking for guys like me and finding areas to dig that way. I willing to bet this is what happen here. He actually made front page of paper for his collection of civil war stuff and local bottles he dug, so I really believe the bottles will be gone today, Saturday, when he has his day off from court. I'll run out there and see if him and his gang are there....most likely I'll run into him. Thanks everyone for the input. Kim James diggincajun (in reply to JGUIS) Post #: 8

RE: hassled by police again - 8/25/2007 12:47:35 AM    California Dream N   Posts: 187 Joined: 12/28/2006 Status: offline diggincajun...JGUIS is right if you don't own it or have permission you are trespassing. My hubby and I post and patrol alot of hunting land in California  and have went to court over this same issue many times. And the court has always sided with us and with the land owner.( At least in our cases it has been 100% ).. It seems a crappy thing over digging a little history but it is the law. I personally wouldn't take the chance of getting caught again!!..Norene (in reply to diggincajun) Post #: 9

RE: hassled by police again - 8/25/2007 3:48:40 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 5161 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline wow, competing agaist the digging judge That's some tough competition. If you beat him to a dump he can hold you in contempt All the judges I know just play golf _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to California Dream N) Post #: 10

RE: hassled by police again - 8/25/2007 5:56:32 AM    diggincajun Posts: 193 Joined: 8/8/2007 Status: offline Hi all, Yea I know the law and I was breaking the law, my whole point is this, if you could see the area, you would know what I'm talking about. Believe me that property will be up for sale for a long time, noone will buy in that area. As for the Judge, ya he does have some pull and knows alot of people, but let me finish now, I did contact the relator of the property and they told me they would contact the owner and let me know as soon as they here something. So I asked them if anyone else is on there digging I should , call the law...right? So if I see anyone elso on there, i'll just make a call from my cell and watch from a distance to see the reaction the police give to this area. It's really no big deal I got run off and it will not be the last, I thought it's a good subject matter to discuss, especially to the new diggers out there and let them know what they are up against and it's not just go dig where you please situation and you do have to contend with others whom may have more power than you do. I don't think this Judge golfs unless it during the week, because on the weekend you will find him and his crew out and about in the inner city area's. NO BIG DEAL really, i'll wait and see what land owner says, but keep one eye open :). Happy digging everyone. Kim James diggincajun (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 11

RE: hassled by police again - 8/25/2007 5:53:09 PM    RICKJJ59W Posts: 3670 Joined: 3/8/2007 From: Lehigh Valley US of A Status: offline DING DING MR. Lobey has the # 1 Answer, heres how I play it...Sneak back at  2 in  the morning, dig the bottle, hey what was that noise!!!??? Chit the cops again!! Run!!! Runnn!! bottle falls brakes, but you still run on, they catch you, fine you for trespassing, you get a fine and the bottle is shards any way, AHHHHH  what a way to dig bottles nice and relaxing..(sigh) I could sleep now from that story its so relaxing. ASK * or your trespassing _____________________________ My Web Page.Lots of pix. Dig story's published in Antique Bottle & Glass Collector. New story added 9/08 www.19thcenturybottlediggers.com Digs in action. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pitpirate/ (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 12

RE: hassled by police again - 8/25/2007 5:57:56 PM    RICKJJ59W Posts: 3670 Joined: 3/8/2007 From: Lehigh Valley US of A Status: offline We are in good with mayors of towns but thank god we dont have to deal with judges  hahaha _____________________________ My Web Page.Lots of pix. Dig story's published in Antique Bottle & Glass Collector. New story added 9/08 www.19thcenturybottlediggers.com Digs in action. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pitpirate/ (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 13

RE: hassled by police again - 9/9/2007 6:11:30 PM    hemihampton   Posts: 160 Joined: 10/6/2006 Status: offline So, What happened? Any updates? I say if you sneak back 2-3 in morning bring a Friend for a look out. Then nobody can sneak up on you while your preoccupied. LEON. (in reply to RICKJJ59W) Post #: 14

RE: hassled by police again - 9/9/2007 7:56:26 PM    privvydigger   Posts: 518 Joined: 7/16/2006 From: Heart of the Coal Regions Status: offline first off always have your game face on. atleast know the owners name the minute you see them get up an politely ask to go to the front sidewalk as the owner would not approve of anyone but myself back here with all the glass.  a brief discription of what your doing and I'd love to chat but I have to finish up the wife's calling me.  First impressions are key act like you belong.Asking them to step off throws em off privvydigger _____________________________ gtr'dug (in reply to diggincajun) Post #: 15

RE: hassled by police again - 9/12/2007 9:10:35 AM    diggincajun Posts: 193 Joined: 8/8/2007 Status: offline Update on site, I'm still awaiting to hear from owner of property, the realator told me they didn't care but it's not up to them. The hole still isn't dug, noone messing with site. I'll give it some more time, I just know that hole is loading with bottles, when I probed it it seemed to be at least 5' in diameter and 5' deep min. So I await word and watch. I'll take pictures when it finally goes down. _____________________________ Kim James Brunet diggincajun (in reply to privvydigger) Post #: 16

RE: hassled by police again - 9/13/2007 9:10:15 PM    steamfitter38   Posts: 62 Joined: 1/13/2006 From: windsor ca. Status: offline better get in there and get that bottle now b4 its gone.the cops wont do anything but maybe write you some weak little fine if anything.besides, if youre gonna risk gettin caught at least its from doing something you love. (in reply to diggincajun) Post #: 17

RE: hassled by police again - 9/15/2007 11:12:40 AM    diggincajun Posts: 193 Joined: 8/8/2007 Status: offline I'm a patient man I can wait and watch, they are not going anywhere. Digging here in town is scares and I was lucky to find this hole. It's really out of the way and I do believe the owner will allow me, besides like the advise I was given and do use, I'll have my game face on when it comes down to the moment. I shall dig em legally and will all the pride I have. Pics will be posted when it goes down. Thanks everyone for ya'll input and patiences. _____________________________ Kim James Brunet diggincajun (in reply to steamfitter38) Post #: 18

RE: hassled by police again - 9/4/2008 12:48:55 AM    hemihampton   Posts: 160 Joined: 10/6/2006 Status: offline OK, Been patience for a year, what happened? LEON. (in reply to diggincajun) Post #: 19

RE: hassled by police again - 9/4/2008 10:55:54 AM    phil44   Posts: 124 Joined: 11/27/2006 Status: offline since the Judge digs you should tell him the situation, he may be able to help, perhaps invite him to dig it with you. He may be able to keep the cops off your back. _____________________________ Theres only one way to find out (in reply to diggincajun) Post #: 20

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