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RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 4/29/2007 3:05:29 PM    RICKJJ59W Posts: 3670 Joined: 3/8/2007 From: Lehigh Valley US of A Status: offline That's the ticket get a written waver ,we dug this lawyers property and did that it was all good. Rick _____________________________ My Web Page.Lots of pix. Dig story's published in Antique Bottle & Glass Collector. New story added 9/08 www.19thcenturybottlediggers.com Digs in action. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pitpirate/ (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 21

RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 4/29/2007 5:13:47 PM    PhilaBottles Posts: 1003 Joined: 9/25/2005 From: philad.A Status: offline quote: ORIGINAL: CALDIGR2 Loam in not "poop dirt", it's natural soil with approximately even ingredients of sand, silt and clay. Most alluvial soils are loamy and drain well. Our local soil is sandy loam, which holds together well, but all privies had to be lined with either brick or redwood. this is a "LOAMY CONVERSATION". Chris made up that word anyway so he should explain himself! _____________________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/iheartmykitten (in reply to CALDIGR2) Post #: 22

RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 4/29/2007 5:44:21 PM    L C   Posts: 1584 Joined: 3/17/2007 From: Ohio Status: offline We tried the written waver thing quite a few times in Cincinnat, but was turned down on every occassion. Lost out on a lot of good bottles by not being able to dig those particular sites. http://www.freewebs.com/yesterdaystreasures/index.htm (in reply to RICKJJ59W) Post #: 23

RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 4/29/2007 10:22:09 PM    baltbottles   Posts: 930 Joined: 11/25/2002 From: Baltimore Maryland Status: offline loam A noun 1 loam a rich soil consisting of a mixture of sand and clay and decaying organic materials Sounds like the typical use layer of a privy to me A sandy soil somtimes with some clay with alot of decaying organic material. Chris _____________________________ Please visit my website at : www.geocities.com/baltbottles/index.html (in reply to L C) Post #: 24

RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 4/29/2007 11:37:44 PM    PhilaBottles Posts: 1003 Joined: 9/25/2005 From: philad.A Status: offline loamloamloamloallammlamololololmao _____________________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/iheartmykitten (in reply to baltbottles) Post #: 25

RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 4/30/2007 12:18:27 AM    Digger George   Posts: 316 Joined: 10/5/2006 From: PHILAD'A PA Status: offline it's poop I went back to the site, nobody was there, not takin the chances. poop _____________________________ "Everything on the earth has a purpose, every disease an herb to cure it, and every person a mission. This is the Indian theory of existence." - Mourning Dove [Christine Quintasket] (1888-1936) Salish (in reply to PhilaBottles) Post #: 26

RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 4/30/2007 1:29:38 AM    bottlediger Posts: 1453 Joined: 2/19/2006 From: York Pa Status: offline hahahahaha I love you guys. None gay way ofcourse haha (in reply to Digger George) Post #: 27

RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 4/30/2007 1:58:08 AM    capsoda Posts: 7923 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: online Get a small time lawyer or 3rd year law student buddy to write you up a waver/permission paper and have the owner sign after you sign. It will work on some touchy situations. They call the soil around here Goldsbury Loam. I don't get it because it is like concrete and water just runs off mostly. When we have a bad rain for a week of so like hurricane season it turns into quagmire and you can sink to your ass real quick. Then you have to change your drawers. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to bottlediger) Post #: 28

RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 4/30/2007 10:00:02 AM    appliedlips Posts: 1711 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline Night soil,loamy soil,poop layer,seed layer,whatever you call it,if I am wallowing in it I am a happy digger.How about Paydirt? Attachment (1) (in reply to RICKJJ59W) Post #: 29

RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 4/30/2007 11:15:53 AM    epgorge Posts: 2422 Joined: 12/29/2006 Status: offline Turns out my whole back bank behind the privy, leading down to the river is loamy. They must have just let it slide down the bank into the river. I just found my first strapside whiskey bottle shard, so I am getting down to the 1800's finally. Now it is pouring again. Oh well, tomorrow! Joel _____________________________ (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 30

RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 4/30/2007 3:52:40 PM    baltbottles   Posts: 930 Joined: 11/25/2002 From: Baltimore Maryland Status: offline Doug, Thats a really cool piece of slipware. Where did you dig it and about what age was the pit you found it in? Do you have anymore you could post pictures of. I've been studying early american ceramics lately. Chris _____________________________ Please visit my website at : www.geocities.com/baltbottles/index.html (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 31

RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 4/30/2007 5:30:19 PM    CALDIGR2   Posts: 527 Joined: 6/20/2005 Status: offline We call the use layer "fluff" because of the consistency. Paydirt works, too, as long as it does. Fluff is usually under the layer of limeacide. _____________________________ Mike Dig no privy before it's time. (in reply to baltbottles) Post #: 32

RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 4/30/2007 6:26:34 PM    PhilaBottles Posts: 1003 Joined: 9/25/2005 From: philad.A Status: offline lime killed the smell LOAMLOAMLOAMLOAMLOLOLALMOLOMAOOLAMOLMAO _____________________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/iheartmykitten (in reply to CALDIGR2) Post #: 33

RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 4/30/2007 10:17:30 PM    appliedlips Posts: 1711 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline      Chris,    Your right,that redware bowl would have been killer,I did not end up with all the peices but I have quite a bit of it and will post some pics soon.I dug it here in Ohio from a privy that dated roughly 1830-45,definately filled by 1850.We see very little decorated redware here but lots of utilitarian peices.I wish we seen more of it,as it is beautiful.I have been trying to do a better job of keeping shards of the better ceramics lately,but always end up missing alot.I guess I need to slow down.I have seen some of the nice bowls and cups you have put back together and it seems to be well worth the effort.Good luck digging,Doug (in reply to baltbottles) Post #: 34

RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 4/30/2007 10:37:41 PM    baltbottles   Posts: 930 Joined: 11/25/2002 From: Baltimore Maryland Status: offline Caldigr2, It must be nice to dig dry privies with a nice fluffy layer. Our water table is so high it can be the middle of a drout here and the privies are still wet. Its rare to get one with a dry layer but when you do its nice. Chris _____________________________ Please visit my website at : www.geocities.com/baltbottles/index.html (in reply to CALDIGR2) Post #: 35

RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 4/30/2007 10:48:32 PM    baltbottles   Posts: 930 Joined: 11/25/2002 From: Baltimore Maryland Status: offline Doug, That redware looks like it was probably made in Pa or Md and its very early I think its more 1800-1820ish it must have been old when it was thrown away. I have seen similar pieces attributed to both Pa and Hagerstown Maryland. But I totally agree with you thats its well worth saving the shards for early privies. What we usually do is as soon as we start seeing decorated ceramics we just start picking out all the shards of everything. and putting them in buckets its pretty common to end up with 6 or 8 buckets of shards from a large early pit. I realized that its better to just take everyting home and give it a second look then put anything back in the ground. I mean once i get the stuff home If its junk i just throw it away. But I usually get a couple nice things to glue back. We dug 3 pits saturday with one being 1830s-40s the only intact bottle in it was a 12 sided pontiled puff. but i managed to find 97 percent of the pieces to a great redware chamber pot  it only has a few small holes on one side now.  I'll probably get this one restored. I really wish the pits here were dry rater then wet so i could sift them as we dig I'm sure i would have found those little pieces i missed. Chris _____________________________ Please visit my website at : www.geocities.com/baltbottles/index.html (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 36

RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 5/1/2007 11:10:41 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 5160 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Chris , what do you make of this piece. The back is unglazed. it seems to be a shallow bowl. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to baltbottles) Post #: 37

RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 5/5/2007 12:57:25 AM    baltbottles   Posts: 930 Joined: 11/25/2002 From: Baltimore Maryland Status: offline Matt, Thats  a great slipware piece. From the curvature of the rim I would think it was a "pie plate" or small charger. The coggled rim is very typical of these. As for the decoration. It's an interesting one. The individually slip-trailed lines are less common then ones done with slip cups with multiple quills usually in groups of 2,3,5,or 7 lines. Being each line was done individually it would have taken longer to decorate. So its not as often seen on plates with alot of slip. As for age I would say its an early plate circa 1790-1820. Where it was made I'm not sure the color of the glaze looks a bit over fired. And the color of the clay looks a bit dark to be Baltimore but that could also be due to the over firing Can you post some pictures of the edge of a couple pieces and of the back and where did you find it. As that also helps. Chris < Message edited by baltbottles -- 5/5/2007 12:58:28 AM > _____________________________ Please visit my website at : www.geocities.com/baltbottles/index.html (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 38

RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 5/5/2007 9:40:26 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 5160 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline It came from some house sites that were getting bulldozed in Dumfries VA. The artifacts seemed to range from mid to late 18th century. This was a Scottish settlement but I thought this peice might have been local. Here is a wine glass stem fragment that also came from the site. It has amazing double air (or opaque) twists. I heard these can be dated fairly precisely becaue the different styles were in fad for a few years at a time. The whole glass probably looked something like ... http://www.tennants.co.uk/BidCat/detail.asp?SaleRef=LS139&LotRef=4 Attachment (1) < Message edited by GuntherHess -- 5/5/2007 10:08:10 AM > _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to baltbottles) Post #: 39

RE: A HEARTBREAKING PRIVY DIG NIGHTMARE - 5/5/2007 11:42:36 AM    epgorge Posts: 2422 Joined: 12/29/2006 Status: offline GuntherHess, That is absolutely beautiful. Amazing craftsmanship. Joel < Message edited by epgorge -- 5/5/2007 11:44:16 AM > _____________________________ (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 40

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