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RE: Pikes Peak - 6/4/2007 5:23:33 PM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline I still get confused about that. The base drawings in the book indicate type 1,2 and3. I always though a hinge mold to be a line straight accross the base. Try the blueberry! _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric If you love what your doing it might be illegal, so watch your back. (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 41

RE: Pikes Peak - 6/4/2007 5:37:52 PM    BRIAN S.   Posts: 1470 Joined: 5/27/2003 From: The Mountains of Tennessee Status: offline Not all CB's were marked with CB . I would guess it would be on the base somewhere. It is definetly a repro . But still a GREAT window bottle for 5.00 !!!  _____________________________ Tennessee Hillbilly Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most ! Always looking to buy or trade for Drake's Plantation Bitters and Drake's go-withs . And Tennessee Bottles and Jugs ! (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 42

RE: Pikes Peak - 6/4/2007 5:41:17 PM    epgorge Posts: 2410 Joined: 12/29/2006 Status: offline Thanks Cows and Brian. I like and will definately keep it. What about the Eagel /Grape, aqua... sould I place it with my reproduction collection (just started)? Epgorge _____________________________ (in reply to BRIAN S.) Post #: 43

RE: Pikes Peak - 6/4/2007 5:56:56 PM    BRIAN S.   Posts: 1470 Joined: 5/27/2003 From: The Mountains of Tennessee Status: offline It sure looks like a repro from your pics . Maybe you could post a few more pics . _____________________________ Tennessee Hillbilly Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most ! Always looking to buy or trade for Drake's Plantation Bitters and Drake's go-withs . And Tennessee Bottles and Jugs ! (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 44

RE: Pikes Peak - 6/4/2007 6:20:12 PM    epgorge Posts: 2410 Joined: 12/29/2006 Status: offline quote: Maybe you could post a few more pics Attachment (1) _____________________________ (in reply to BRIAN S.) Post #: 45

RE: Pikes Peak - 6/4/2007 6:21:15 PM    epgorge Posts: 2410 Joined: 12/29/2006 Status: offline * Attachment (1) _____________________________ (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 46

RE: Pikes Peak - 6/4/2007 6:22:59 PM    epgorge Posts: 2410 Joined: 12/29/2006 Status: offline I didn't buy it the first time becuase of the color and the neck seems just too perfect for the era. It does have a nice jagged open pontil on the bottom. Joel Attachment (1) < Message edited by epgorge -- 6/4/2007 6:24:34 PM > _____________________________ (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 47

RE: Pikes Peak - 6/4/2007 7:02:38 PM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline Don't quote me here but I think the small deep recess on the base was also clevenger. Later thay added CB or even the full name sometimes. I can't find that Clevenger article I'm working from memory from. My memory is, well, I forget what it is. _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric If you love what your doing it might be illegal, so watch your back. (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 48

RE: Pikes Peak - 6/4/2007 7:08:51 PM    earlyglass   Posts: 341 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: offline The Pikes Peak is certainly real, but the Jenny Lind and Eagle / Grapes are both reproductions. (in reply to cowseatmaize) Post #: 49

RE: Pikes Peak - 6/4/2007 7:10:08 PM    epgorge Posts: 2410 Joined: 12/29/2006 Status: offline quote: I think the small deep recess on the base was also clevenger Do you mean the kick up inside the Jenny Lind? Where can I study up on repro's? Thanks guys! I appreciate the help. Joel < Message edited by epgorge -- 6/4/2007 7:11:02 PM > _____________________________ (in reply to cowseatmaize) Post #: 50

RE: Pikes Peak - 6/4/2007 7:17:07 PM    epgorge Posts: 2410 Joined: 12/29/2006 Status: offline Thank you Mike, Do you know which Jenny Lind this is? Is it the eagle or the prospector bottle? Any idea on color or value? Joel _____________________________ (in reply to earlyglass) Post #: 51

RE: Pikes Peak - 6/4/2007 7:35:08 PM    epgorge Posts: 2410 Joined: 12/29/2006 Status: offline Here is a great story about a fellow who bought a "scare crow" that turned out to be the ships figural on the prow. It was of  a bust of Jenny Lind (1820-1887). She was the equivalent to the Beatles during her era as a swedish singing star. There werre six ships named after her. Good, enjoyable reading here... http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:ajjBqFWDs1AJ:www.scandinavica.com/culture/history/jenny_lind.htm+jenny+lind+eagle&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us Here is another of the marketing of her bust figurals on literally everything. http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:pA56VWpESJUJ:www.eraoftheclipperships.com/nightingale.html+jenny+lind+eagle&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us < Message edited by epgorge -- 6/4/2007 7:39:45 PM > _____________________________ (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 52

RE: Pikes Peak - 6/4/2007 7:35:41 PM    earlyglass   Posts: 341 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: offline Joel, I haven't looked up your Pikes Peak, but it is real. It is most likely a common one in aqua, probably $100 or so. The other flasks are repros. A good place to start when dealing with flasks is the "American Bottles & Flasks and their Ancestry" book from Helen McKearin and Kenneth Wilson. It is the most comprehensive guide for flasks and has great information on the glasshouses, techniques and characteristics. Anyways, there is a chapter on reproductions as well. Your Jenny Lind is a reproduction of the GI-107 and your Eagle Grapes is a reproduction of the GII-55. They are probably Clevenger pieces, possibly Czechoslavakian (spelling?)... well, I hope that helps. Mike (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 53

RE: Pikes Peak - 6/5/2007 8:41:38 AM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline quote: Do you know which Jenny Lind this is? Is it the eagle or the prospector bottle? Any idea on color or value? In the calabash they all had a glass house on the reverse, I'm not sure what your asking. Repro or not the Jenny is about 75 yrs old and almost an antique in the US. http://www.bottlebooks.com/clevenge.htm http://www.bottlebooks.com/reproduc.htm Note on this one the Pikes Peak. It couldn't fool very many people. http://www.bottlebooks.com/Repros/More%20Repos/more_reproductions.htm _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric If you love what your doing it might be illegal, so watch your back. (in reply to earlyglass) Post #: 54

RE: Pikes Peak - 6/5/2007 8:49:14 AM    epgorge Posts: 2410 Joined: 12/29/2006 Status: offline quote: I'm not sure what your asking That is because I screwed up the question. I meant the Pikes Peak when I said Jenny Lind. I am interested in collecting CB's now. I sold a beauty of a chestnut flask of theirs for $17 on the bay. I saw a variation of it in your link you provided. Thanks! Now I wish I had kept it. I like the Jenny Lind, now that I have it. Researching it here on the forum, it looks like it was a chec made CB. Did CB contract with that the Chec's way back then? _____________________________ (in reply to cowseatmaize) Post #: 55

RE: Pikes Peak - 6/5/2007 6:08:56 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline The Pike's Peak has a "post bottom mold seam"...( what I used ta call a "hinge mold seam", before I got eddicated on the BLM Historic Bottle Site... http://www.sha.org/bottle/bases.htm Clevenger Bros didn't collaborate with the Czechs ta make Jenny Linds...The Czechs made their own repRo ( usually seen with an extra-long neck), and Clevenger Bros made another type...   _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 56

RE: Pikes Peak - 6/5/2007 6:11:35 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline The Eagle/Grapes flask is Clevenger....not sure about the Jenny....Could be Clevenger or Czech...Have ta examine "hands on" to tell for sure or compare with a known Clevenger Jenny. _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 57

RE: Pikes Peak - 8/18/2007 11:13:48 AM    tigue710 Posts: 1646 Joined: 7/11/2007 From: connecticut Status: offline very nice score on the pikes peak, it is a Mckearin GXI-7 - attributed to Pittsburgh  The base is a "key mold" of which there are a few different types.   One type is notched, the other rounded.  A key mold is similar to a hingmold and in fact worked the same way, (with two pieces hinged at the bottom), except the key mold was notched in the center, to help the mold fit better and to create a smoother base to help the bottle stand better.  The rounded key mold is very similar to a post mold but on close inspection you will be able to follow the mold line across the bottle going halfway around the circle and over to the other side.  the lip I'd bet is juat an imperfection... The other two bottles are both repros, the wash. is a Clevenger and the Jenny Lind is most likely a Chec. < Message edited by tigue710 -- 8/18/2007 11:16:46 AM > (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 58

RE: Pikes Peak - 8/18/2007 11:25:31 AM    tigue710 Posts: 1646 Joined: 7/11/2007 From: connecticut Status: offline here are the two types of key mold.  The first leaves a circular depression in the base like your pikes peak, and like a post mold, the difference being the the post mold will have a mold line the entire circumference of the circle.  The second you will see the notched mold line, and leaves a flat base with no depression, most of the time.  Most of these notched types of keymolds are from the open pontil era so often the pontil covers the mold lines. Attachment (1) < Message edited by tigue710 -- 8/18/2007 11:39:20 AM > (in reply to tigue710) Post #: 59

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