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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 10:42:09 AM   
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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 10:50:36 AM   
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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 11:37:27 AM   
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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 12:06:16 PM   
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Status: online 		It was pretty much all about the cotton trade. econmics will do it every time. Bush took a page out of ole Abe's play book. when there where no weapons of mass disfunction to be found we decided to free the good people of irqa. Did you know it took less time to defeat the Germans, Italians and Japs than it's taking to secure the main road into Fagdad? Crazy world.
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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 1:27:13 PM   
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The war between the states just shows you what happens when you try to make a country bilingual, never works 

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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 5:01:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		If anyone is interested in the War Of Northern Aggression, and also likes music, there's a double CD available at Amazon.com you should definitely check out.  One cd is called, "White Mansions" the other is called, "The Legend Of Jesse James."  They are historically accurate concept albums.  You could also call them, "country rock operas."  The music is country or, more accurately, Southern rock.  Some pretty heavy hitters play on both.  Johnny Cash plays Frank James, Levon Helm plays Jesse James.  Eric Clapton plays guitar on White Mansions.  Charlie Daniels plays Cole Younger of the James/Younger gang.  Emmilou Harris and Rosanne Cash too.  Both are from a decidedly Southern perspective.  There is a nice "background" section for both cds that tells what was going on at the time.  If you like history, They're AWESOME.  BTW, what happened to the South after the war at the hands of the Union Army is sort of "glossed over" to this day in the North.  At least it was where I went to school in the 'burbs of Chicago.  Thats probably why someone described the North's victory as a "buttkicking" instead of as the dishonorable campaign of revenge and murder that it became after the surrender occurred.  Like, seriously, if they havn't studied this topic outside the public schools, they don't know!  Just my two cents worth.
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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 5:18:38 PM   
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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 6:34:50 PM   
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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 6:38:09 PM   
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Almost 150 years and it still bothers Southerners


it doesnt bother me, but i dont think it should be forgotten...there were many great lesson's learned during that time

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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 7:26:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bottlenutboy
...there were many great lesson's learned during that time


Yes and the most important one was...don't start nothing you can't finish

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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 7:30:46 PM   
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don't start nothing you can't finish


for informational purposes, WE didnt start anything, WE were trying to protect our rights, THEY marched in HERE and tried to take over the joint all WE were doing was defending ourselves

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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 7:34:42 PM   
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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 8:47:01 PM   
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WE were trying to protect our rights, THEY????


And just what rights were those Spence?  They? who's they? It's called the United States of America. Ole uncle Abe just had to straighten out a few seccess.

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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 9:02:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		WE were protecting our right to leave if we dont like the way things are going, (just as the USA did with england i might add) and THEY is the northern folks who didnt like that we could make our own decisions and came marching down here like they owned the place

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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 9:30:09 PM   
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Status: online 		The Northern boys had to meter out some good old fashioned justice. Cuz just because you don't like the way the games going don't mean you can pick up your ball and gome home. Just think what would have happened if kindly ole Abe didn't straighten things out. Can you immagine what would be going on down there if he didn't?  And with the peaceful process of Reconstruction you all where intergrated back into the Union. Brotherly love is the way to go ya know.
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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 9:38:53 PM   
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the peaceful process of Reconstruction


you obviously dont know anything about reconstruction, finantially it was one of the worst times for the south surpassed only by the Great Depression,

and what would have happened if the USA didnt pick up and leave when we didnt like the way the game was going while we were part of england?

you cant say we did wrong when you were guilty of the same less than 100 years earlier

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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 9:43:55 PM   
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Status: online 		but our forefathers did it for all the right reasons. taxation with out representation and all that. while the south did it to keep an endless supply of free labor.

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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 9:49:45 PM   
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the south did it to keep an endless supply of free labor.


yet another falsehood slavery was only a small part of something much bigger, money is what was driving the fight, imposing tariffs so that it was cheaper to import cotton from other countries than it was to buy it from right here, in effect forcing us to lower our prices in order to survive

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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 10:02:56 PM   
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spence whilst readint the following statement please hum the Battle Hyme of the Republic.

the cotton was exported. almost all of it to supply the booming British texile industry. The plantation owners where rolling in dough. The South's economic system was based upon cotton--and slavery. The political leaders of the South, recognized that if the South lost their slaves and had to pay slaves wages similar to what white laborers were paid, the entire socio-economic system would probably collapse.

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RE: Civil war? - 6/19/2007 10:11:34 PM   
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