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JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/29/2007 11:52:23 PM    sewellbottleman Posts: 375 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: online I have not seen anyone do this yet all the Jenny Lind flasks side by side.  Attachment (1) Post #: 1

RE: JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/29/2007 11:57:29 PM    sewellbottleman Posts: 375 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: online In the picture above left to right: On the far left is the dark aqua one it is the Czech version. Second one from the left is the Clevenger. Third from the left is the original older 1850 to 1855 version. On the far right is the original 1856 to 1865 version. (in reply to sewellbottleman) Post #: 2

RE: JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/30/2007 12:57:05 AM    sewellbottleman Posts: 375 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: online The two ways to distinguish the differance between an original  the Czech reproduction and the Clevenger reproduction are as follows. On the Original there are 5 barrels grouped tightly together under the factory right hand side.The barrel to the far left is always underblown and hard to see.Also on the original there are 7 petals in the floral wreath under Jennys bust. On the Czech version there are 3 barrels under the factory and they are spaced apart slightly.There are 6 petals under Jennys bust on the left side. On the Cleveger version there are 4 barrels grouped together tightly under the factory right hand side.On this bottle there are also only 6 petals under Jennys bust. On the original versions there are 2 different lip and pontil treatments.On the older 1850 version the lip or collar as some would call has a double tapered finish.Under this bottle is always a rough deep pontil.On the 1860 version the lip or collar is a straight smooth taper.On the bottom there is no deep pontil scar however there is a point in the dead center very similar to three piece mold bottles.I hope this is helpful to someone bidding on a bottle on ebay or any auction site for that matter who cant seem to distinguish whether a bottle is an original or not.The Czech versions always have a long neck like a stove pipe some one on this forum once said.The Clevenger version is collectable in itself and  it looks close to the original in all other aspects other than what was pointed out above.In closing ask the sellers questions before you bid. I have been fortunate enough to have bid on and won six originals in the last year.Always ask how many barrels under the factory on the right hand side and how many petals on the wreath under Jennys bust I will follow with pictures.. (in reply to sewellbottleman) Post #: 3

RE: JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/30/2007 1:10:13 AM    sewellbottleman Posts: 375 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: online The 3 barrels on the Czech version Attachment (1) (in reply to sewellbottleman) Post #: 4

RE: JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/30/2007 1:11:39 AM    sewellbottleman Posts: 375 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: online The picture not that great but the original with 5 barrels under the factory Attachment (1) (in reply to sewellbottleman) Post #: 5

RE: JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/30/2007 1:13:10 AM    sewellbottleman Posts: 375 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: online The petals under the wreath on Jennys bust on the Czech version Attachment (1) (in reply to sewellbottleman) Post #: 6

RE: JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/30/2007 1:15:03 AM    sewellbottleman Posts: 375 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: online The 7 petals under the bust of Jenny on the right hand side in the wreath of the original bottle not a great picture but you get the point  Attachment (1) (in reply to sewellbottleman) Post #: 7

RE: JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/30/2007 1:16:38 AM    sewellbottleman Posts: 375 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: online Getting a new camera tommorrow.Here are the lip treatment pics first the Czech version. Attachment (1) (in reply to sewellbottleman) Post #: 8

RE: JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/30/2007 1:17:28 AM    sewellbottleman Posts: 375 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: online Next the 1850 original version. Attachment (1) (in reply to sewellbottleman) Post #: 9

RE: JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/30/2007 1:18:08 AM    sewellbottleman Posts: 375 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: online Next the 1860 version of the original Attachment (1) (in reply to sewellbottleman) Post #: 10

RE: JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/30/2007 1:19:02 AM    sewellbottleman Posts: 375 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: online And finally the bottoms of the bottles.the Czech version first Attachment (1) (in reply to sewellbottleman) Post #: 11

RE: JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/30/2007 1:19:53 AM    sewellbottleman Posts: 375 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: online Next the pontil on the 1850 version Attachment (1) (in reply to sewellbottleman) Post #: 12

RE: JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/30/2007 1:21:33 AM    sewellbottleman Posts: 375 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: online Next the 1860 original version (note) there is a blowpipe mark but it is not a pontil but a raised tiny dot. Attachment (1) (in reply to sewellbottleman) Post #: 13

RE: JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/30/2007 1:23:59 AM    sewellbottleman Posts: 375 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: online I kind of left out hte Clevenger bottle only because the color is  very pale aqua green and it is hard to see the emboosing on the bottle.Here is the lip treatment on the Clevenger bottle Attachment (1) (in reply to sewellbottleman) Post #: 14

RE: JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/30/2007 1:27:17 AM    sewellbottleman Posts: 375 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: online Notice my spell checker in my hands slowly disintagrates and I cant spell the or Embosing.Its late, hopefully this info is helpful to some one before they purchase what they are being told is an original Jenny Lind Fislerville.good night. (in reply to sewellbottleman) Post #: 15

RE: JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/30/2007 4:13:00 AM    earlyglass   Posts: 341 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: offline Sewellbottleman, Nice analysis on the Jenny Lind bottles. They can be a tough area, one of which I have stayed away from in the past. To throw an extra level of complexity on top of your analysis is the fect that there are a dozen or so different molds that are original, and listed in McKearin, and there may be a few that aren't listed! But what is real important is to be able to identify a fake, and your diagrams show that clearly. Thanks for the time you've put in to doing this. Earlyglass (in reply to sewellbottleman) Post #: 16

RE: JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/30/2007 12:18:00 PM    sewellbottleman Posts: 375 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: online Earlyglass Here are more Jenny Linds from my collection First is another shot of two original Fislerville GI-107s Smooth Taper is the newer one produced around 1860 Double tapered is the older one produced around 1850 to 1855 Attachment (1) (in reply to earlyglass) Post #: 17

RE: JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/30/2007 12:19:43 PM    sewellbottleman Posts: 375 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: online Next is an OK Group shot of a lot of my Jenny lind Collection Attachment (1) (in reply to sewellbottleman) Post #: 18

RE: JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/30/2007 12:25:02 PM    sewellbottleman Posts: 375 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: online Next are the S. HUFFSEY flasks from New Brooklyn New Jersey made at the Isabella Glass Works.These Glass works were named for Isabella who was a grand daughter of one of the Whitneys from Glassboro.The picture shows the Jenny Lind side of the bottle. Attachment (1) (in reply to sewellbottleman) Post #: 19

RE: JENNY LIND CLEVENGER CZECH AND @ ORIGINALS - 6/30/2007 12:33:20 PM    sewellbottleman Posts: 375 Joined: 1/29/2007 From: Mantua Township/Sewell section Status: online Next picture is The Milfora glass Works GI-101 Jenny Lind with a shot of the factory side. Milfora was later proved to be a misspelling of the Milford glass works of present day Kresson NJ also known as Cherry HIll. Attachment (1) (in reply to sewellbottleman) Post #: 20

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