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dark purple bottle ? - 7/8/2007 7:24:19 PM    sweetrelease   Posts: 660 Joined: 7/20/2006 From: hammonton ,nj Status: offline hi i just got a bottle from a "very" small time dealer here in nj. it is dark purple and reads j. clapham botanical chemist wade ln & kelsalls leeds .it is really crude with bubbles and bent neck. by question is the color,it made me think as soon as i saw it .it is stunning but the dark purple made me think it could of been messed with.the thing is this guy might of had maybe 10 or so bottles at his shop.all pretty much local dug bottles so i would think he might not be into making bottles purple.so first have you guys and girls ever heard of this bottle and do some bottle really come in a dark purple almost black color.i will have pic up soon thanks again ,matt http://s84.photobucket.com/albums/k38/mattmichelle/?action=view&current=IM000660.jpg    http://s84.photobucket.com/albums/k38/mattmichelle/?action=view&current=IM000662.jpg   http://s84.photobucket.com/albums/k38/mattmichelle/?action=view&current=IM000661.jpg  here are some pics ,matt < Message edited by sweetrelease -- 7/8/2007 8:15:19 PM > Post #: 1

RE: dark purple bottle ? - 7/8/2007 8:39:44 PM    appliedlips Posts: 1711 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline    Matt,   I think that is the color glass that bottle was blown in.That is not a color achieved through irradiation or a light box.I hate to admit how I know but I do.Not many American bottles were blown in that color with the exception of hair bottles but I have seen a good number of European bottles in those colors.It is a beautiful bottle,English in orgin,and 100% original.Great find,Doug (in reply to sweetrelease) Post #: 2

RE: dark purple bottle ? - 7/8/2007 8:50:49 PM    sweetrelease   Posts: 660 Joined: 7/20/2006 From: hammonton ,nj Status: offline thanks , the look of the bottle made me think not the u.s.a because it just did not seem like most i have dug or have seen from hear.it is thick and has bubbles "everywhere" .thanks again for the reply if you get more on this please let me know thanks ,matt < Message edited by sweetrelease -- 7/8/2007 8:52:43 PM > (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 3

RE: dark purple bottle ? - 7/8/2007 9:57:37 PM    KentOhio   Posts: 732 Joined: 9/13/2004 Status: offline Sorry, that one is a fake. I have an emerald green one with the sticker still on the bottom that says Made In China. (in reply to sweetrelease) Post #: 4

RE: dark purple bottle ? - 7/8/2007 10:18:54 PM    sweetrelease   Posts: 660 Joined: 7/20/2006 From: hammonton ,nj Status: offline really no made in china sticker on it and it does not follow the china making.it is heavy crude and i have seen many china bottles if this is one than it is a really good one.most chine bottles seems go through the whole bottle this one stops at the neck.and the bubbles are everywhere.do you have a pic of your bottle thanks ,matt (in reply to KentOhio) Post #: 5

RE: dark purple bottle ? - 7/8/2007 10:22:17 PM    treasurekidd   Posts: 330 Joined: 9/25/2005 From: Warwick, RI Status: offline Wether real or not, it's still a sweet looking bottle. I hope it's not a fake Matt. Good luck with it! (in reply to sweetrelease) Post #: 6

RE: dark purple bottle ? - 7/8/2007 10:29:42 PM    kastoo   Posts: 1283 Joined: 9/7/2004 From: Lagrange, GA Status: offline That isn't a fake..he's just pulling your shovel...fakes are only well known bottles and that is not one.  Nice bottle (in reply to sweetrelease) Post #: 7

RE: dark purple bottle ? - 7/8/2007 10:39:41 PM    sweetrelease   Posts: 660 Joined: 7/20/2006 From: hammonton ,nj Status: offline you know i thought that at first but played it safe something about this bottle makes me think. what is a botanical chemist anyway?? ether why it makes me say wow!! thanks ,matt (in reply to kastoo) Post #: 8

RE: dark purple bottle ? - 7/8/2007 10:41:31 PM    treasurekidd   Posts: 330 Joined: 9/25/2005 From: Warwick, RI Status: offline A botanical chemist would be a chemist who specializer in fertilizers or weed control chemicals. Plant related stuff. (in reply to sweetrelease) Post #: 9

RE: dark purple bottle ? - 7/8/2007 10:51:52 PM    sweetrelease   Posts: 660 Joined: 7/20/2006 From: hammonton ,nj Status: offline thanks i was going with that but you can never know with what some of these old bottles say!!told my wife i was going to put it on ebay and she took it and hid it from me oh well one more for the window ,matt (in reply to treasurekidd) Post #: 10

RE: dark purple bottle ? - 7/8/2007 11:06:50 PM    KentOhio   Posts: 732 Joined: 9/13/2004 Status: offline The seam on mine goes straight on up through the lip, and also circles all the way around below the lip. Mine doesn't have any bubbles to speak of, but it has a crude fold in the glass that messes up some of the embossing. The bottom edge all the way around is pretty sharp. (in reply to kastoo) Post #: 11

RE: dark purple bottle ? - 7/8/2007 11:31:51 PM    sweetrelease   Posts: 660 Joined: 7/20/2006 From: hammonton ,nj Status: offline thanks kent i think we need a pic of that bottle .i need to see it ,green would be nice!matt (in reply to KentOhio) Post #: 12

RE: dark purple bottle ? - 7/8/2007 11:33:51 PM    KentOhio   Posts: 732 Joined: 9/13/2004 Status: offline I tried to take one. I'll try again tomorrow. (in reply to sweetrelease) Post #: 13

RE: dark purple bottle ? - 7/9/2007 6:24:01 AM    bearswede Posts: 2910 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline Here's some info from Digger... Not exactly definitive, but... Hey Digger your sight is really informative and interesting. I've been a bottle collector for about 5 years now and have a collection of around 200 bottles (small by comparison to some I know). What I was wondering was if a bottle I got this weekend was a reproduction or not. I paid $ 8.00 (US) for it but what got me suspicious about it being a repro was 1) its a really nice deep purple colour and 2) I found some reproductions on the net in clear. The bottle is about 6 1/2" tall and is dark purple (like I said) Its embossed "J CLAPHAM BOTANICAL CHEMIST WADE L & KELSAILS LEEDS" the base is smooth with no markings. The lip is flared with a seem that comes up to and onto but not over the lip. If you could tell me if it is a reproduction or not was this bottle ever really produced and how much it is worth it would be a great help thanks Jon (Ottawa Ontario Canada) I do not have the sources to check this old English bottle.  But I would guess that it would be authentic.  What might not be authentic is the deep color there have been many irradiated bottles sold in the last 4-6 years.  Either way for $8 if you like it keep it.  You bought it because it appealed to you so enjoy it and stop worrying.  Digger Send your Bottle Questions to:  Digger Odell Ron _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to KentOhio) Post #: 14

RE: dark purple bottle ? - 7/9/2007 6:29:23 AM    lobeycat Posts: 3805 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: online More patience than me Ron. I usually get crossed eyed pretty quickly searching Diggers site.Rick. (in reply to bearswede) Post #: 15

RE: dark purple bottle ? - 7/9/2007 6:43:12 AM    bearswede Posts: 2910 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline quote: I usually get crossed eyed pretty quickly searching Diggers site.Rick. I know just what you mean, Richard... Naturally, this one was at the very bottom... I really hate those pages where you scroll thru and finally find the question... But Digger quit answering... ARRGGGHHH!!!!!!!! R < Message edited by bearswede -- 7/9/2007 9:36:10 AM > _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 16

RE: dark purple bottle ? - 7/9/2007 7:49:19 AM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline If you use google toolbar try the word search function or use the find in your browser. I stopped scrolling a long time ago. _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric If you love what your doing it might be illegal, so watch your back. (in reply to bearswede) Post #: 17

RE: dark purple bottle ? - 7/9/2007 8:09:48 AM    appliedlips Posts: 1711 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline Matt,    If there are other reproductions out there of this bottle,I would say it is a good chance yours could be one as well.Again,in regards to color.It has not been irradiated to get this color.This I am certain of.Doug (in reply to sweetrelease) Post #: 18

RE: dark purple bottle ? - 7/9/2007 9:40:36 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 5160 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Interesting bottle... From the looks of it it would appear to be an antique bottle. Even the color is in line with some hair bottles of the period. There are examples of old molds being reused to blow bottles. I would assume it to be authentic until proven otherwise although it is suspect at this point. It appears to at least be based on a real product. More research is needed. A botanical chemist was someone who produced medicines from plant extracts. Pretty cool label... http://proteus.meccahosting.com/~a00042ed/family_history_profiles/j_clapham_pictures/lung-balsam.html Some info on John Clapham, photos of his factory and store. http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:0R4MdCoK5XwJ:proteus.meccahosting.com/~a00042ed/family_history_profiles/j_clapham_botanical_chemist.html+%22john+clapham%22+botanical+chemist&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:Dxy3F6nbOyAJ:www.mvuf.org.uk/+clapham+botanical+chemist&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us < Message edited by GuntherHess -- 7/9/2007 9:53:29 AM > _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 19

RE: dark purple bottle ? - 7/9/2007 10:15:52 AM    bearswede Posts: 2910 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline There appears to be a J Clapham bottle included in a collection of medical bottles at the New York University School of Medicine... Scroll down to Box 19... http://archives.med.nyu.edu/collections/findingaids/medbottles.html Ron _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 20

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