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Need help identifying this - 7/11/2007 8:08:09 PM    Jim1870 Posts: 245 Joined: 7/7/2007 Status: offline I've just discovered the new hobby by way of my back yard, which appears to be an old dump site - bottles everywhere.  Most are common or local druggist, etc. I'm learning as I go.  I can't seem to find any info on this one.  It is embossed with "Chas. Mutz White Beer E. Rammelmeyer"   Attachment (1) Post #: 1

RE: Need help identifying this - 7/11/2007 8:15:02 PM    sweetrelease   Posts: 660 Joined: 7/20/2006 From: hammonton ,nj Status: offline if that was in your back yard you are in some good stuff!! looks like a1880 bottle but might go 1860 or so.   what does the bottom look like ? needs a good tumble and that bottle will be nice, good find (in reply to Jim1870) Post #: 2

RE: Need help identifying this - 7/11/2007 8:22:03 PM    Jim1870 Posts: 245 Joined: 7/7/2007 Status: offline Yes,I came about it quite by accident.  I live in an 1870 house in Cincinnati - turns out the back yard is full of bottles, chards, marbles,etc.  I've just begun to dig it and have come up with 110 intact bottles so far.  It will take me a year or two at the rate I'm going.  Most of my finds have been at less than 2 feet deep (maybe some erosion?).  I dug one small area to about 5 foot and continued to find bottles - who knows. (in reply to sweetrelease) Post #: 3

RE: Need help identifying this - 7/11/2007 8:23:54 PM    RICKJJ59W Posts: 3670 Joined: 3/8/2007 From: Lehigh Valley US of A Status: offline post some pix  Rick _____________________________ My Web Page.Lots of pix. Dig story's published in Antique Bottle & Glass Collector. New story added 9/08 www.19thcenturybottlediggers.com Digs in action. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pitpirate/ (in reply to Jim1870) Post #: 4

RE: Need help identifying this - 7/11/2007 8:27:09 PM    Jim1870 Posts: 245 Joined: 7/7/2007 Status: offline I'll take some pics tommorow as I'm at a friends house (I live in the 1800's - no internet at home). I just shot this one because I couldn't find any info on it.  It's soaking in a "Barkeeper's Friend" bath right now - probably feeling cleaner by the minute. (in reply to RICKJJ59W) Post #: 5

RE: Need help identifying this - 7/12/2007 1:34:02 AM    L C   Posts: 1584 Joined: 3/17/2007 From: Ohio Status: offline I wish I could find a dump like that in my back yard......... HECK1 I wish I could find a dump like that anywhere !! (in reply to Jim1870) Post #: 6

RE: Need help identifying this - 7/12/2007 1:37:12 AM    L C   Posts: 1584 Joined: 3/17/2007 From: Ohio Status: offline You would have to say you were in Cincinnati, only45 miles west of me. I am in Brown County, Ohio.  Cincinnati sits on a dump I think. I used to dig on the bank of the Ohio River in the 70s on the back side of the Castilinni Trucking Co. if you know where that is or was. Not sure of it is still there or not, its been ages since I have been in that area. < Message edited by L C -- 7/12/2007 2:13:17 AM > (in reply to Jim1870) Post #: 7

RE: Need help identifying this - 7/12/2007 2:00:04 AM    Just Dig it   Posts: 299 Joined: 5/7/2007 Status: offline odds are You also have a privy jim...1870 sounds  fun = ) (in reply to Jim1870) Post #: 8

RE: Need help identifying this - 7/12/2007 6:32:00 PM    Jim1870 Posts: 245 Joined: 7/7/2007 Status: offline Like these? Attachment (1) (in reply to RICKJJ59W) Post #: 9

RE: Need help identifying this - 7/12/2007 6:33:14 PM    Jim1870 Posts: 245 Joined: 7/7/2007 Status: offline Not a great shot of the bottom, but the best I can do.  The bath didn't help much Attachment (1) (in reply to sweetrelease) Post #: 10

RE: Need help identifying this - 7/12/2007 6:36:05 PM    Jim1870 Posts: 245 Joined: 7/7/2007 Status: offline quote: I wish I could find a dump like that in my back yard LC, I am surprised myself.  Of course, my backyard isn't quite normal. Attachment (1) (in reply to L C) Post #: 11

RE: Need help identifying this - 7/12/2007 6:38:38 PM    Jim1870 Posts: 245 Joined: 7/7/2007 Status: offline quote: post some pix Rick Attachment (1) (in reply to RICKJJ59W) Post #: 12

RE: Need help identifying this - 7/12/2007 6:40:41 PM    Jim1870 Posts: 245 Joined: 7/7/2007 Status: offline quote: odds are You also have a privy jim Problem is, I can't seem to find it.  I have about 75 ft by 25 ft to search though.  I agree that there should be one (or two, or three).  The bathroom was added to the house in 1920 so there should be 50 years worth of privies. (in reply to Just Dig it) Post #: 13

RE: Need help identifying this - 7/12/2007 11:44:40 PM    L C   Posts: 1584 Joined: 3/17/2007 From: Ohio Status: offline Well, what ever it may be, I hope you find a truck load. Be sure to post some pictures.! (in reply to Jim1870) Post #: 14

RE: Need help identifying this - 7/12/2007 11:49:08 PM    L C   Posts: 1584 Joined: 3/17/2007 From: Ohio Status: offline I do not know about a privy, but it for sure there is one there most likely. What I am seeing in this picture puts me in the mind the house might have been built on a covered over dump, or it is one that just happens to be at the back of the yard.. I remember seeing that in Cincy on a couple of ocassions. Regretfully, I did not get to dig them either !! (in reply to Jim1870) Post #: 15

RE: Need help identifying this - 7/13/2007 1:08:24 AM    Just Dig it   Posts: 299 Joined: 5/7/2007 Status: offline Do you  know how  to locate a  privy jim?  or is this your  first bottle related dig? if not anyone here will help walk you through a few steps..probing indents trees etc. u need any help just  give a yell ...but we want pictures = ) (in reply to Jim1870) Post #: 16

RE: Need help identifying this - 7/13/2007 8:29:13 AM    Jim1870 Posts: 245 Joined: 7/7/2007 Status: offline quote: Do you know how to locate a privy jim? Not really.  I've read (on this site and others) a bit.  Do the probes really work?  How far from the (original) back of the house should I be looking for a privy?  Any general rule of thumb?  I have re-done the house and front yard but left the back wild, as it backs into a park.  I don't really see any indentations. I have a lot of what appears to be dump area to still dig.  About 3/4 of the back side of my yard has turned up bottles at a shallow (1-1 1/2 ft) depth.  If I understand correctly, the privy(s) should be separate from this area. (in reply to Just Dig it) Post #: 17

RE: Need help identifying this - 7/13/2007 8:59:40 AM    appliedlips Posts: 1711 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline     Jim,   Great finds,and talk about saving on gas!I wish I had a dump in my backyard.Your finds look to date around 1900-1910.I am not familiar with the Beer but I would guess it is a product of Cincinnati.White Beer (Weiss Beer)was the German brewers attempt to make a lighter beer to meet the taste demands of us snobby Americans.Most of the bottles embossed Weiss Beer I have dug date to the 1890-1910 era.You may or may not have a privy as some large cities including Cincinnati had early sewers in some neighborhoods.If you do you could be in for an adventure.Cincinnati has some of the deepest privies anywhere,have heard of some going 40+ feet..They also can be some of the best producers anywhere.Probes do work,and if you ever want a hand finding and digging the privy,shoot me an email and if I get down that way I will give you a hollar.Great to have you as a member,and welcome to this great hobby.Doug < Message edited by appliedlips -- 7/13/2007 7:10:03 PM > (in reply to Jim1870) Post #: 18

RE: Need help identifying this - 7/13/2007 7:45:30 PM    Jim1870 Posts: 245 Joined: 7/7/2007 Status: offline I may take you up on that, Doug.  I realize that I haven't found anything old yet but there may be hope.  Forty feet is a long way down.  I would definitely want to know that I'm in the right spot. Attachment (1) (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 19

RE: Need help identifying this - 7/13/2007 8:02:43 PM    appliedlips Posts: 1711 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline         Jim,       I apologize,I somehow looked at your other photos but not the beer in this thread.It is most certainly earlier than 1890,probably late 70's early 80's.Is it embossed HGCO on the base?This stands for Hemingray Glass Co. which started across the river in Covington and later moved To Cincy and then Muncie,Ind.The bottle is listed in the Ohio Bottle Book as being from Cincinnati and valued at $40-$50.This is a 1999 price,so I would guess $50+.Great bottle,and sorry about my lack of attention.Also,didn't mean to scare you with the 40ft. number this would be the exeption.15-20ft. would probably be a better average.Doug < Message edited by appliedlips -- 7/13/2007 8:05:27 PM > (in reply to Jim1870) Post #: 20

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