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RE: Origin of term: "POP" Bottle?" - 9/27/2007 5:01:18 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2020 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline well......so I lied.It could have been...I have an old Radio Flyer wagon from the late 1960's. I used to have it in my "office' here, loaded up with pop bottles, but moved it to the shed. I was skeered someone would roll it off... _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 21

RE: Origin of term: "POP" Bottle?" - 9/29/2007 2:20:58 AM    whiskeyman Posts: 2020 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline Okay...I found some kind of verification in a book I just bought/read: History of  Marion VA Bottling Co.Inc.@ 1985 The author, Wythe Hull , began in the bottling business in the early 1920s'. He briefly touches upon bottle types and makes the statement about Hutches being used in 1905-09 , (in Marion I  presume). Then he states:  "When it came time to open the bottle, a blow delivered by hand on the loop of wire, pushed the stopper down into the bottle...The loud noise resulting from this method of opening the bottle was where the name "POP" originated." _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 22

RE: Origin of term: "POP" Bottle?" - 9/29/2007 8:33:21 PM    morbious_fod   Posts: 755 Joined: 3/4/2007 From: The backwoods of the backwoods, Virginia Status: offline I was wondering if you would notice that one. LOL! (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 23

RE: Origin of term: "POP" Bottle?" - 9/30/2007 1:24:24 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2020 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline yes I did, JOE.... So we have the term "pop" used in 1812 by Southey's acquaintence. Then the 1825 "pop" ad.  Next -the 1861 date mentioned by Warren , Eric, & Acls.  Could they be thinking about the Whitney Patented , "applied inside thread" finish bottles, as this design was patented in  January 1861? Then the date of the Hutchinson patent of 1879. There can be no doubt the Hutch is responsible for the term lasting so many years, but we still don't know the origin of the term.Unless  : it originated in 1812 and  quickly or gradually fell out of use, until revived in 1861 due to a Henry Putnam patent??Another popular type of simple cork retainer was the more solid wire Henry Putnam patented (1859) design.  This type wire bail had the benefit of being reusable and was particularly popular on soda and mineral water bottles during the 1860s through 1880s like the Hoffman & Joseph "blob-top" soda pictured which dates from the mid-1880s . (credit to BLM Site).*In this case, a cork would still have to be pulled - resulting in a "pop." And this style of bottle remained in use even into the 1880's before being "replaced by " the Hutch and other numerous closures. I'm still looking......... _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to morbious_fod) Post #: 24

RE: Origin of term: "POP" Bottle?" - 9/30/2007 2:00:35 PM    morbious_fod   Posts: 755 Joined: 3/4/2007 From: The backwoods of the backwoods, Virginia Status: offline One thing that you might want to think about when trying to figure this out. Exactly how widespread was the use of these bottles before the Hutchinsons. I can't imagine the lowly dirt farmer of the early to middle 1800's being able to afford too many sodas. This may be the difference between the use of the terms soda and pop. Soda sounds like it would have been the proper word used by the earlier consumers who could actually afford the beverage, middle class well educated. While pop most certainly sounds like it would have been popularized by the common less educated lower classes. Maybe by the late 1800's the hutchenson bottle wound up being much more widespread than the earlier versions, and became more affordable. This would make since when you take into account them showing up in small towns like Richlands, VA. (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 25

RE: Origin of term: "POP" Bottle?" - 9/30/2007 2:09:13 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2020 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline JOE...both the 1859 & 1861 patents were pre-Civil War. It is known that the Civil War created a need for more & more glass containers to supply the troops. Possibly it was the soldiers themselves that revived the term "pop" as a slang word , much like soldiers in WW II coined the word Jeep. And  not that many soldiers during the Civil War were well-educated or well-to-do. Most of them were dirt farmers , sod busters,etc., with meager (if any),  education. _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to morbious_fod) Post #: 26

RE: Origin of term: "POP" Bottle?" - 9/30/2007 2:52:21 PM    morbious_fod   Posts: 755 Joined: 3/4/2007 From: The backwoods of the backwoods, Virginia Status: offline That makes sense, and wouldn't suprise me in the least, as they would have better access to the newer bottles due to their being more exposed to the world than their kin back home. (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 27

RE: Origin of term: "POP" Bottle?" - 10/3/2007 9:22:45 PM    sunrunner   Posts: 179 Joined: 8/10/2007 Status: offline the theory of the huch beeing the sores of the turm pop is corret ! but the turm is a venaculer fraze.huchbottles were all over the country but you only hear the word pop in the midwest and the south, just as you only hear  the word refering to soda in new england as tonic,ect... (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 28

RE: Origin of term: "POP" Bottle?" - 3/11/2008 1:57:19 AM    whiskeyman Posts: 2020 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline For a lowdown on the term "POP" and it's origins, check out Ron Fowler's Seattle History Company site...http://www.seattlehistorycompany.com/SHCSodaPopHistory.html Ron is cataloging all known Hutches as well....If you have any check his database to see if listed and if not : drop him a note. _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to sunrunner) Post #: 29

RE: Origin of term: "POP" Bottle?" - 3/11/2008 5:31:11 PM    glass man Posts: 1825 Joined: 1/30/2008 From: GEORGIA Status: offline GROOVY! ALSO,POP GOES THE WESEL!?! < Message edited by glass man -- 3/11/2008 5:33:01 PM > _____________________________ JESUS said"COME TO THE WATER,STAND BY MY SIDE. I KNOW YOU ARE THIRSTY;YOU WON'T BE DENIED. I FELT EVERY TEARDROP WHEN IN DARKNESS YOU CRIED,SO I STROVE TO REMIND YOU FOR THOSE TEARS I DIED. (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 30

RE: Origin of term: "POP" Bottle?" - 3/12/2008 12:25:29 PM    KentOhio   Posts: 732 Joined: 9/13/2004 Status: offline Everyone's forgetting about the big crude stoneware bottles impressed with "California Pop Beer." Those definately pre-date Hutches. Just that alone should disprove the Hutch theory. (in reply to glass man) Post #: 31

RE: Origin of term: "POP" Bottle?" - 5/12/2008 12:08:31 PM    pop200   Posts: 2 Joined: 5/12/2008 Status: offline Hi In Canada we exclusivley call it POP , in Quebec its Pepsi as a rule go figure. "Soda" and we Know your up visiting and having a Great time! Take Care dave (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 32

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