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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/2/2007 9:27:27 AM   
appliedlips


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Status: offline 		     Here is one we can all agree would be very hard to find in clear.I assure you it was a medium aqua in color and never clear.It would have been worth quite a bit in clear and I would not have ruined it.I did this for my own enjoyment and don't intend on selling it.Most of the information on irradiation is put out there by the nay sayers and not the folks that have done it more than once.Most of the info online is false.




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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/2/2007 9:29:26 AM   
cobaltbot


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Status: offline 		I know I blacklight check most of my bottles to see the potential for SCA.  I have one very aqua swamp root remedy that glows which is rare from my limited experience.  I always figured it had manganeze in it but also too much iron and that's why the aqua won out.

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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/2/2007 10:16:31 AM   
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Here is one we can all agree would be very hard to find in clear.I assure you it was a medium aqua in color and never clear.It would have been worth quite a bit in clear and I would not have ruined it.I did this for my own enjoyment and don't intend on selling it.Most of the information on irradiation is put out there by the nay sayers and not the folks that have done it more than once.Most of the info online is false.


That's interesting. I agree there is a lot of false information out there that's why I like to discuss it on this board and experiment for myself. I'll have to try some more aqua bottles since I know it can be done. One thing I have not experimented with is the theory that SCA glass could be returned to clear using heat. I was always sceptical of that claim. The jar collectors in our bottle club did some experiments (since some jars are more rare clear than amethyst) and I think the results were all negative. Thanks for the good info.

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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/2/2007 10:25:34 AM   
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Status: online 		Another question...when did they actually start putting manganese in the glass mixture? I'd always heard around the 1880s. Your flask is obviously made earlier. Was the manganese in that naturally occuring in the silica? 
I expect like most changes in bottle making the transition from clear flint glass to manganese clear glass didnt happen in one year. Is there any record of when manganese was first purposefully used in glass in the USA?

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According to Bill's site , as early as the 1820s...
http://www.sha.org/bottle/colors.htm#Colorless

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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/2/2007 11:29:04 AM   
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Oxide of manganese so used came to be called the glassmakers soap, doubtless because as Merrit said in his 1642 translation of Neri's The Art of Glass, "Manganese consumes all the natural greenness of glass".
It goes on but 1642 was known I guess.


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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/2/2007 12:05:44 PM   
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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/2/2007 6:28:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		HUMABDOS, WHAT MAKES THIS RARE? THE BOTTLE MAKER ROOT? DID THEY MAKE ALL COCA COLA SS BOTTLES? OR WHERE THE BOTTLE IS FROM AND THAT IT IS FULL? OPIONIONS? 500 DOLLARS WOULD BUY ME SOME GREAT CHEAPER BOTTLES. HEHE!

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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/2/2007 7:48:00 PM   
Humabdos

 

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Status: offline 		I was joking. Looks like he filled it yesterday. I'm not sure what it's worth I'm guessing maybe $20 ?

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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/2/2007 8:03:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Isn't "Property Of Coca Cola Bottling Co." (non script) usually a flavor or water and not actually coke. That would make it ever rarer. I flavor bottle with real coke in it. WOW!!

I'll buy it and nuke it. Two grand easy!!!


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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/3/2007 12:25:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can't believe we haven't heard from Bottlenutboy!
Anyone know his whereabouts?

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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/3/2007 12:54:47 AM   
capsoda


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Status: offline 		Spencer (Bottlenutboy) has gone preppy on us. He has gone and started a college education.

Way to go Spencer!!!

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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/3/2007 7:59:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		What about this, do you think it was altered?
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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/3/2007 8:34:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		It doesn't look irradiated to me, if that is what you are asking. It is tough to say from a picture. It is a very nice color though. We will have to wait and see what the jar people say.

To each their own on the irradiating but, I cringe when I find a rare or uncommon bottle, irradiated. It is just me. SCA I like but the deeper furnace look I just don't find the appeal with it. Fair, at best.

Joel

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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/3/2007 9:40:20 AM   
appliedlips


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Status: offline 		    Matt,

   I think the early aqua stuff that turns is from naturally occuring manganese.I have found several glasshouses in which stuff turns at a higher percentage.The flask shown was blown in Zanesville and alot of their stuff turns or glows.Alot of 1858 jars in aqua will turn as will some cone inks.I have purple umbrella inks,a squat soda,cathedral peppersauce,and other traditional aqua bottles.Alot of the hutches turn from aqua to other colors.Aqua insulators are known to and do turn cobalts,olive greens,yellows,I have had a couple bottles turn light shades of blue but not cobalt.Heat will not effect the purple color,but will quickly change the ambers back,sometimes revealing a purple color underneath.Greens and browns are not permenant and if you produce one,selling it is dirty.It will change back to the original color.Doug

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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/3/2007 11:22:22 AM   
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Status: online 		30 years ago, when I worked at a nuclear power plant, we would take various bottles, wrap them in plastic bags, and drop them into the spent fuel pool for 15 minutes. YOWZA! Instant dark purple from the radiation from the fuel rods. I did it solely for the entertainment of myself and others and did not profit from it in any way.

BTW, I did dig a clear 1915 hobbleskirt at a local dump. It is the only one I've seen and it went to a SoCal collector.

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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/3/2007 12:28:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		30 years ago I protested a nuclear power plant and came back blue. It was about 10 degrees out.

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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/3/2007 2:20:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		30 years ago I....uuuummmm........aahhhh.....uuuuummmmm....What were we talking about???  

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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/3/2007 2:21:23 PM   
capsoda


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Status: offline 		Hey Eric, That fruit jar looks like one of those Messican repops to me.

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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/3/2007 10:20:47 PM   
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RE: RARE? 1915 PURPLE AMETHYST COKE - 10/4/2007 7:52:48 PM   
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Spencer (Bottlenutboy) has gone preppy on us. He has gone and started a college education.

Way to go Spencer!!!
Ditto's!! we'll have to wait for the winter break!



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