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RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 11:12:48 AM    stonebottle   Posts: 56 Joined: 3/10/2007 From: SE PA. Status: offline This is the embossing on the "CPC" ink.  I do not have a better picture, sorry.  It is 3 inches tall, aqua, smooth base, 12 small panels.  Any ideas??  It was found 3 feet from the pontiled ink, but looks quite a bit newer.  I was hoping someone recognizes the shape and "CPC" because I do not have a better picture.  The bottle is now in NY and I am in PA.  I saw one that sold on ebay in the last month for only $9.99 but that seems low.  My brother found it and is interested in any info.  He will be heading back to dig the area again very soon!! Attachment (1) (in reply to stonebottle) Post #: 21

RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 11:14:15 AM    PhilaBottles Posts: 1003 Joined: 9/25/2005 From: philad.A Status: offline thanks for the pics stonebottle. it really gives people an idea of the true color when we are not holding it. Harrisons Columbia Ink used a similar mold but not the exact same one. The unembossed variation is a bit rarer. As discussed among my fellow diggers, we think it is NJ or NY made. but thats a theory. Matt. (in reply to stonebottle) Post #: 22

RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 11:20:07 AM    stonebottle   Posts: 56 Joined: 3/10/2007 From: SE PA. Status: offline Thanks Philabottles.  Any idea on value?  I am not hooked on what something is worth, but would like to know for possible future trade value.  Also, here is an ebay picture of a "CPC" ink like my brother found.  This is not a great picture, his is definately aqua, but at least this gives you an idea.  Sorry to get off-topic but I would like to give my bro. an idea on his "CPC" ink also.  Thanks for all your help. Attachment (1) (in reply to PhilaBottles) Post #: 23

RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 11:25:30 AM    otgb   Posts: 80 Joined: 4/2/2007 Status: offline Hi stonebottles CPC is a perfume not an ink they come in all different colors.if i remember right it is colgate perfume company (in reply to stonebottle) Post #: 24

RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 11:26:11 AM    PhilaBottles Posts: 1003 Joined: 9/25/2005 From: philad.A Status: offline never dug or noticed CPC inks before. thats a new one for me. never be afraid to say that you want to know the value. your ink is worth $350-$500 free of damage. In about ten years you'll regret getting rid of it unless you do trade for something that will increase in value the same. values keep our hobby alive. there is a chance that someone will dig a hole filled with that ink in that mold and there is a chance there wont be anymore dug for 20 years. those are the types of things that determine value. Matt. (in reply to stonebottle) Post #: 25

RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 11:40:01 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 4914 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline quote: colgate perfume company Colgate and Co Perfumers used a C&Co  monogram. California Perfume Company maybe?? I would have guessed ink too by the shape. edit... CPC info, not sure thats the answer... http://www.californiaperfumecompany.net/cpc_company/company_pages/cpc_trademarks_and_logos.htm < Message edited by GuntherHess -- 10/16/2007 11:50:15 AM > _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to otgb) Post #: 26

RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 11:56:53 AM    otgb   Posts: 80 Joined: 4/2/2007 Status: offline i thought they were inks to but i dug one last spring with the atomizer still attached it had cpc on the brass part. i gave it to a friend next time i talk to him i will get him to take a picture of it.we dig them here in cobalt and teal green (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 27

RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 12:18:55 PM    amblypygi Posts: 452 Joined: 4/6/2004 From: Western Massachusetts Status: offline quote: ORIGINAL: otgb i thought they were inks to but i dug one last spring with the atomizer still attached ... I dunno; there's pretty strong evidence that these are inks. Covill 156-159 have the same embossing and three of those are labeled as fountain pen ink. He also lists 2 master inks (C-831 and C-832) that are the same design and too big to be perfumes. Are you sure it's an atomizer? Was the glass part identical to these CPC bottles? Another good mystery! Sean (in reply to otgb) Post #: 28

RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 12:39:38 PM    otgb   Posts: 80 Joined: 4/2/2007 Status: offline sean the bottles we dig are the same we dig them in two size's but i have not dug them in aqua mostly teal green and the odd cobalt one nobody seems to want to pay to much for them so when we dig i dont take them in the pick (in reply to amblypygi) Post #: 29

RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 12:45:04 PM    PhilaBottles Posts: 1003 Joined: 9/25/2005 From: philad.A Status: offline quote: i dont take them in the pick id probably pick it over a marble (in reply to otgb) Post #: 30

RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 12:54:40 PM    otgb   Posts: 80 Joined: 4/2/2007 Status: offline that depends on the marble (in reply to stonebottle) Post #: 31

RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 12:57:34 PM    PhilaBottles Posts: 1003 Joined: 9/25/2005 From: philad.A Status: offline yes it does, but i dont have one of those. (in reply to otgb) Post #: 32

RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 1:04:39 PM    otgb   Posts: 80 Joined: 4/2/2007 Status: offline if you want one that bad i can probably pick you one up (in reply to PhilaBottles) Post #: 33

RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 1:22:17 PM    PhilaBottles Posts: 1003 Joined: 9/25/2005 From: philad.A Status: offline lol its OK. ill just wait till we dig one. (in reply to otgb) Post #: 34

RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 2:01:26 PM    Oldtimer Posts: 713 Joined: 5/13/2004 From: Effingham NH. Where else? Status: offline 1, it's gorgeous. 2, it's worth $400+ all day IMO. Condition is key. 3, I'd call it "Deep Ice Blue" if I were asked to name the color. 4, Get your ass back out there and root that place up like a starving hog. _____________________________ STOP THE CAR !! I think I see a cellarhole !!! (in reply to stonebottle) Post #: 35

RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 2:44:51 PM    stonebottle   Posts: 56 Joined: 3/10/2007 From: SE PA. Status: offline Oldtimer and everyone.  Thanks again.  The pontil has the small round central area, but also has a sort of a rounded area of missing glass with a small skin of overhanging glass along one edge.  This area is connected to the central pontil, and appears to be part of the pontil mark from when the rod was removed.  You can see it pretty good in the picture I posted of the bottle bottom.  Would this affect value in a positive or negative way??  Would it even be considered undesirable??  Does it make it a different form of pontil??  stonebottle (in reply to Oldtimer) Post #: 36

RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 3:30:06 PM    cobaltbot Posts: 1611 Joined: 4/7/2006 From: Delta, PA Status: offline Where's Taz??? _____________________________ My tombstone will read: He went out for a walk and never came back.... (in reply to stonebottle) Post #: 37

RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 7:13:50 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4914 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline quote: Does it make it a different form of pontil?? Ya, a Holy Pontil Unfortunatly, glass thickness varied greatly in these early bottles. Sometimes its so thin you can put your finger through it. I would guess a defect like that does adversely affect the value but it probably still a desirable piece since cobalt pontil marked stuff is so rare. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to cobaltbot) Post #: 38

RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 9:17:20 PM    Oldtimer Posts: 713 Joined: 5/13/2004 From: Effingham NH. Where else? Status: offline Generally speaking, the rougher and cruder a pontil, the better it is. Crudity is always desireable. _____________________________ STOP THE CAR !! I think I see a cellarhole !!! (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 39

RE: Blue pontiled ink found in NY - 10/16/2007 10:59:18 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4914 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline maybe I didnt understand but it sounded like he was saying there was actually a hole where the pontil mark was??? _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to Oldtimer) Post #: 40

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