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RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/13/2007 10:59:08 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 4737 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Looks like a good informative appraisal. A couple points to consider... I didnt see anything on the appraisal indicating how the value was arrived at. Anyone can throw a value out there. I would want to see references to past sales, price guides, or some other comparables. I didnt see the credentials of your appraisers listed. At least all the places I checked on your site. My insurance company would require that to accept any appraisals. I cant complain about your advertising since I sell a price guide and that is essentially selling appraisals also. I dont think you are likely to get much business here but good luck with your venture. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to tigue710) Post #: 21

RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/13/2007 11:01:54 AM    earlyglass   Posts: 335 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: offline Good luck with your appraisal business. I will say that your format looks very good, and your information seems nicely detailed. I can certainly see where your services could be helpful for insurance coverage, estate settlements, etc. however, I have a few questions. Who is the fact-finder or authority behind your analysis? Assuming one person cannot be an expert is ALL areas... do you have a bottle, flask and glass expert on your team? DO you make any reference in your appraisal to YOUR references for determining this value (e.g. prior collections, auction results, demand, etc.)? Also, how would you charge for a large 500 piece collection? If the collector is well versed and has a full understanding of the values, would you be able to take the information, review it, display it in your templated format and certify that it is accurate? Well, just a few questions. :) I do appreciate what you are doing. There are many in this hobby (including myself) that will offer out appraisals for free, so being charged for such a service may catch a few collectors off guard. Mike (in reply to tigue710) Post #: 22

RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/13/2007 1:59:51 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3464 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: offline quote: ORIGINAL: tigue710 did you guys copy that from here or from Jeff & Holly's site?   indeed they did, word for word. not really an appraisal if you get the information directly from the seller now is it? a guy could get hurt with help like this. Lobey. (in reply to tigue710) Post #: 23

RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/13/2007 2:17:46 PM    earlyglass   Posts: 335 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: offline Lobey, I don't know the appraiser, but I will say that there is a little more information in his appraisal over the description that Jeff and Holly have. We shouldn't assume that this is a scam or a fraud, because this appraisal seems legitimate and detailed. Not to say that one of us couldn't put it together in 10 minutes, but I could see how this could be helpful for some. I would like the appraiser to address a few of my questions though. I would like to know "who" the bottle expert might be, or if he has one hell of a reference library! (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 24

RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/13/2007 3:37:46 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3464 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: offline I never said it was a scam. On the contrary, the appraisal was well done and professionally presented...cudos to all. The information is from a few different sources. I was refering to the above mentioned lack of provenance. Any insurance company would insist on it. A $5000 ink ain't chump change. I'd guess more than half of professionallty appraised items are done so for insurance purposes. FYI the ink is from Ed and Kathy Gray's site. Lobey. (in reply to earlyglass) Post #: 25

RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/13/2007 6:09:43 PM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline I think the thing is that it was put out as SPAM. If you liked to have joined us, talked a bit, shared some experiences... Well then add a signature to your postings. The turn off was that this was the only purpose for ever joining. Most appraizers will have to go by other sales or sellers. You can't make up the numbers willy nilly. I have to think of Kovels with that though, we know how acurate they can be. _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric If you love what your doing it might be illegal, so watch your back. (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 26

RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/13/2007 10:28:03 PM    amblypygi Posts: 441 Joined: 4/6/2004 From: Western Massachusetts Status: offline quote: ORIGINAL: cowseatmaize I think the thing is that it was put out as SPAM... I wouldn't call is spam exactly, although it did have a certain spam-esque quality. The main difference is that there was in fact a human being attached; this never seems to be the case with true garden-variety spam. A true spammer would never have even seen our gripes, let alone responded to them Regarding the appraisal, I agree with the other comments pointing out the lack of pedigree with regard to the appraisers. Without documented expertice, an insurance company won't honor an appraisal. I'm interested in the answer to this question and to Earlyglass' question about how a large collection would be handled. Sean (in reply to cowseatmaize) Post #: 27

RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/13/2007 11:24:46 PM    tigue710 Posts: 1597 Joined: 7/11/2007 From: connecticut Status: offline The description is informative, but the author does not even know bottle lingo, so they must have copied it somewhere.  I have five minutes and a computer....  And I dont need to make up stuff that sounds like bottle lingo, I know the bottle lingo! Getting an appraisal from these guys could be like buying a fuzzy pictured bottle from e-bay, it might not be what your expecting.  If the appraiser is not seriously informed they will miss small details that will effect your actual value, and of course all their doing is providing a service to the lazy, there not giving you a knowledgeable appraisal from an actual dealer or collector, just looking around on the internet...  < Message edited by tigue710 -- 11/13/2007 11:29:43 PM > (in reply to amblypygi) Post #: 28

RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/14/2007 8:48:38 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 4737 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline A good question would be , who do you go to to get a good appraisal on your bottles that your insurance company would accept? My first thought would be some of the big bottle auction companies like Hecklers or Glass Works. I dont see them advertising that service though. I know there are insurance companies that will insure bottle collections out there. Does anyone have experience with them? Or even made a claim through them? _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to tigue710) Post #: 29

RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/14/2007 9:07:44 AM    bearswede Posts: 2906 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline Here's one that claims to not need an appraisal... Haven't dealt with them tho... http://www.collectinsure.com/ Ron _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 30

RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/14/2007 1:50:15 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4737 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline I'd love to find out if anyone ever made a big claim to one of these companies. Maybe the BBB would have data on them? _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to bearswede) Post #: 31

RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/14/2007 9:06:21 PM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2016 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline It's all speculation _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 32

RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/15/2007 1:36:37 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4737 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline what is? _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to zanes_antiques) Post #: 33

RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/15/2007 5:13:32 PM    tigue710 Posts: 1597 Joined: 7/11/2007 From: connecticut Status: offline whether god really exists.... do you believe in Jesus? (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 34

RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/15/2007 5:29:06 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3464 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: offline how's my faith in cheeses???? This place is getting weird (in reply to tigue710) Post #: 35

RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/15/2007 6:06:06 PM    tigue710 Posts: 1597 Joined: 7/11/2007 From: connecticut Status: offline sorry, I felt like weirding it up there for a sec.... (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 36

RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/15/2007 8:24:45 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4737 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Dont get me quoting Mark Twain again ... _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to tigue710) Post #: 37

RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/15/2007 8:41:28 PM    tigue710 Posts: 1597 Joined: 7/11/2007 From: connecticut Status: offline Kick rocks! (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 38

RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/16/2007 12:36:59 PM    Gunsmoke47 Posts: 1157 Joined: 12/29/2003 From: TEXAS Status: offline "Kick rocks!"   Yes he does!  He is the drummer for the "Festered Sore"  isn't he? (in reply to tigue710) Post #: 39

RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/16/2007 1:15:39 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4737 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline No but I think he was married to Pam Anderson after she left Tommy Lee _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to Gunsmoke47) Post #: 40

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