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RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/16/2007 6:18:45 PM   
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Well if ole Kick got that bleached blond.......  He definately rocks!

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RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/17/2007 8:50:29 AM   
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RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/17/2007 8:46:02 PM   
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MY ten cents worth, We sent several pictures to an 'appraisal'" firm in florida via the internet a few years ago. We were trying to get at least an estimate on a piece of MAYAN pottery tripod vessel. These folks took my 29.95 and kept me at bay, saying their "expert" in this area was not available at this time and we should get a certificate soon. 5 months went by, nothing! Soon the phone number was disconnected......hmmmmmm? Had to report them to the fair trade and credit card scam authorities. Still never heard back from them. Lesson learned, I looked them up i was the DONKEY! In this case THEY are the DONKEYS! Will you appraise and send certificate then i'll pay YOU!? Probably not!  What a rip off!

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RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/17/2007 9:47:00 PM   
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not kid rock, kick rocks!  As in Huckleberry Finns favorite expression...  Pamela Anderson on the other hand, there is no confusing that!

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RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/19/2007 10:00:34 AM   
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GuntherHess:   Looks like a good informative appraisal.

A couple points to consider...

I didnt see anything on the appraisal indicating how the value was arrived at. Anyone can throw a value out there. I would want to see references to past sales, price guides, or some other comparables.

I didnt see the credentials of your appraisers listed. At least all the places I checked on your site. My insurance company would require that to accept any appraisals.

I cant complain about your advertising since I sell a price guide and that is essentially selling appraisals also. I dont think you are likely to get much business here but good luck with your venture.



Thank you for your thoughts. You raise some valid points, if in fact, we were representing this digital certificate as a certified appraisal that meets all USPAP standards. We are not. The business model of supporting and maintaining a dynamic, ecommerce web site, advertising the site, compensating the appraiser and producing a digital certificate, all at an end-user fee of $8.85, does not afford the formal report that you are suggesting. Our goal with the digital certificate format is to provide an accurate value opinion based on the market comparison approach to value. We believe it is a valuable offer for someone interested in saving a substantial amount of money compared to the traditional appraisal format, who does not require a certified report for insurance, estate settlement, charitable donation, etc. If you focus on the information provided, the clear format presented, and the efficiency of the 2-business day turnaround - for $8.95 - and not compare it to a certified appraisal report costing 10 to 20 times more, I believe you can validate the concept.    

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RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/19/2007 10:01:39 AM   
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EarlyGlass:   Good luck with your appraisal business. I will say that your format looks very good, and your information seems nicely detailed. I can certainly see where your services could be helpful for insurance coverage, estate settlements, etc. however, I have a few questions. Who is the fact-finder or authority behind your analysis? Assuming one person cannot be an expert is ALL areas... do you have a bottle, flask and glass expert on your team? DO you make any reference in your appraisal to YOUR references for determining this value (e.g. prior collections, auction results, demand, etc.)? Also, how would you charge for a large 500 piece collection? If the collector is well versed and has a full understanding of the values, would you be able to take the information, review it, display it in your templated format and certify that it is accurate?

Well, just a few questions. :) I do appreciate what you are doing. There are many in this hobby (including myself) that will offer out appraisals for free, so being charged for such a service may catch a few collectors off guard.

Mike

Thank you for your response. We apologize for the slow reply. We have been very busy meeting our 2-day turnaround in addition to performing the formal appraisal reports of our traditional business. We especially value the feedback from an expert like yourself. In actuality, our $8.95 digital certificate is not acceptable by insurers, the IRS and courts. The certificate does not meet USPAP standards. The information in this digital format is a conclusion of the Market Comparison Approach to Value - the same approach we typically use when certifying a value in a formal report. So, we believe it to be accurate, understanding the limitations of receiving descriptions and hopefully images from another source. When we were put to the test on this item, fortunately we received the description and quality images from what is most likely a glass bottle expert. As you can imagine we are not always so fortunate to receive such a quality description and image.  When we receive an order with a less than quality description, we are honest and clear about the limitations in our Appraiser's Comments section of the certificate. The accuracy of our value opinion can certainly be compromised by a lack of item identification. We have the resources and expertise to appraise accurately when we can identify the item. We have been producing personal property appraisal reports since 1976. We have a team of researchers and appraisers. All are trained in the proper methodology of the appraisal process. The common element of almost all quality performance is repetition. We carefully and diligently perform the same steps with each order. In addition we have amassed data, thousands of previous appraisals, and multiple staff members as quality control agents for every appraisal assignment. To your question of references - you must keep in mind the cost limitations ($8.95) and time restrictions (2 days) of this offer. We are not producing a certified appraisal report here like we do for our traditional business. We are not offering more for less. We are offering the value conclusion for a fraction of the cost, with some brief Appraiser's Comments. If a formal appraisal report is required or desired, this is not the format to go to. If you want an accurate value opinion from an experienced accredited appraiser who has all the resources of a 30+ year old firm, quickly, and inexpensively, then we believe this is a good offer. 
  This $8.85 offer and procedure is not conducive to valuing a 500 piece collection. We would thankfully decline the assignment and discuss with you a formal collection appraisal. Again, we appreciate your questions and feedback. A free appraisal opinion from an expert like yourself and other experts in your community can not be beat. It is wonderful that you offer your time and expertise in this way. As you may understand if you visit our site, we have substantial fixed costs to present our offer. We display the information in a format that can be printed, emailed, uploaded to auction listings, etc. We also archive the appraisal in a protected account for future use. So, our fee is required. But, we will try to keep it modest by continuing to build volume and we appreciate you keeping us in mind when you or an acquaintance have an appraisal need - other than glass!      

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RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/19/2007 10:03:32 AM   
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Lobeycat:
 
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ORIGINAL: tigue710

did you guys copy that from here or from Jeff & Holly's site?  

indeed they did, word for word. not really an appraisal if you get the information directly from the seller now is it? a guy could get hurt with help like this.
Lobey.


We are not inventing or creating information. It is not our role to strive to be original and take liberties with fact. We want to keep debate to a minimum and stick to the facts. Our objective is to identify, research the market, secure comparable sales information, inform or expand on the description and present in an easy to understand format. We are an information service. Many people do not have the expertise, resources, know how, time, etc. and find our $8.95 offer convenient and very helpful. In an antique-bottle community our appraisal of an antique bottle is not particularly helpful. We were put to the test, we produced, is the information valid and accurate - in your expert opinion? If you nothing about the bottle we were asked to appraise, would our information be helpful? We believe so. Was $8.95 a fair amount to be charged for this information considering you received an answer in 2 days in a digital certificate that you can email, print, upload etc.? Was your credit card charged securely? If you had a follow-up question, did you receive a response? We understand it is difficult for some experts to accept we charge a fee for information when you willing provide it for free. But, you don't have an automated order process that produces a digital certificate and you don't market your expertise so people can easily find you. Our justifiable fee aside, lets bring the conversation back to the information we delivered. Is it inline with your expert opinion?   

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RE: Looking to find history & value? - 11/19/2007 1:24:07 PM   
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quote:

Our goal with the digital certificate format is to provide an accurate value opinion based on the market comparison approach to value.


That is a reasonable (and IMO probably the best) approach but I didnt see evidence of that in your example appraisal. I would like to see a reference to a past ebay, Glass Works, Heckler's or some other comparable sale.  If that data doesnt exist then I would hope to see that ink reference books were employed such as Covills, Faulkner's, Badders, O'Dell's, ect. If you have to generate a value from scratch I would want to know that the person doing it has some reasonable credentials , like dealing in bottle collecting or sales for 20 years for example.

As I said initially , anyone can throw out a value, that value is only as good as the experience and research effort backing it up. 

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