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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information - 1/30/2008 3:10:28 PM   
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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information - 1/30/2008 3:14:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well....the images are pretty good but some things can't be determined unless a bottle is in hand. 

The absence of seams could mean free-blown...or turn-molded - a more likely conclusion given the overall "look" of the bottle.  The base looks very reminescent of turn-mold bottle from the late 19th to early 20th centuries.  The images show the bottle as very symmetrical which is not typical of early free-blown bottles, but is typical of mid to late 19th century turn-molded bottles.

The lip or finish is not typical at all of an early (pre-1800) bottle and seems to be tooled, not applied.  Aqua is also a very unusual bottle color for anything prior to the mid to late 18th century...even early 19th.

A good source book for styles and trends of early (European) bottles is Van den Bossche's book "Antique Glass Bottles" which covers almost exclusively European bottles.  A quick scan through it showed nothing precisely like the pictured bottle, but some that are similar in shape (like a Burgundy wine shape more or less). 

Seals can feature all kinds of things in them...many dated seals were made well after the date in the seal (i.e., was a founding date of the users, or some other significant date).  Even if the heritage of the emblematic motif in the seal can be traced back to a very early time, it does not automatically follow that a bottle (or other item) with that motif is of the earlier age.

The features that I can see of this bottle - and absence of a pontil scar - strongly indicates a mid to late 19th century bottle...Bill

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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information - 1/30/2008 3:20:45 PM   
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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information - 1/30/2008 3:22:52 PM   
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I'll probably get additional grief for its new location (connected with....archaeologists).


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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information - 1/30/2008 3:25:37 PM   
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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information - 1/30/2008 3:27:55 PM   
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I keep forgetting you where an archey ologist in your hippy days.

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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information - 1/30/2008 3:36:31 PM   
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I keep forgetting you where an archey ologist in your hippy days.


Actually, my friend, it was a bit later than that... First I dug bottles (while majoring in English)... Then I became a chef... Then I became an archeologist and gave away my bottles... Then I went back to cooking... Then I started collecting bottles again... Now...??? I'm semi-retired, I guess...


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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information - 1/30/2008 3:40:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like an interesting life, Ron!  I found that majoring in English was not that useful, but interesting nonetheless.  I considered archaeology, but the math part kind of turned me off lol.  And a chef too?  How did you find the time to do all of that? 

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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information - 1/30/2008 3:42:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		A well rounded life BigBear, unlike mine which loops endlessly in rut formation. i hope they pentioned you off, the dirty so and so's
Me? I'm semi-retarded, ask anyone 'round here....

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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information - 1/30/2008 3:49:34 PM   
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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information - 1/30/2008 3:55:45 PM   
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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information - 2/3/2008 4:53:53 PM   
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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information - 1/25/2009 7:08:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		hello again bill. i just joined this site and realy like what i see  and read. hope to stay active in dump digging   bottle collection . as long as my health allows me to. then if i cant go out and play then i can start reaerch , and have all the time i need. great to be retired but not so great when your health fails you, no bah hum bug here , i amgratefull for evryday and even gratefull for bad bottle digging  days . shoot we never had a bad day hunting bottles just some bad luck when we first started , now from research we know where most of the dumps are here  circa 1850-1910..
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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information - 1/25/2009 7:14:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: platapuss

hello again bill. i just joined this site and realy like what i see  and read. hope to stay active in dump digging   bottle collection . as long as my health allows me to. then if i cant go out and play then i can start reaerch , and have all the time i need. great to be retired but not so great when your health fails you, no bah hum bug here , i amgratefull for evryday and even gratefull for bad bottle digging  days . shoot we never had a bad day hunting bottles just some bad luck when we first started , now from research we know where most of the dumps are here  circa 1850-1910..
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P/S please excuse my spelling, its not that i dont have spell check and all that ,but i let my wife proof read  most of my replys ect, i have a slight problem on my left side from m.s and i jerk alot , sorry hope you understand
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Codd Bottle - Western & Wolland - 4/5/2009 3:53:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Please can anyone help. I have a Rylands patent, rylands barnsley codd bottle. Property of Western & Wolland, Bermondsey. Thick glass with air bubbles and a green tint with a green tint marble. I cannot find any information on this apart from an advert from western & Wolland which is in the British Library. If anyone could tell me if this is rare, rough value and age I would be really grateful.





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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information - 1/9/2010 3:23:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		hi im not sure where to go but if anyone could help me that would be great i have a unopened bottle that was passed on to me for my grandfather and was passed to him from his father its called PURE OLD PANTHER **** i have no idea weather they still make it or when it was stopped being made or how much it is worth its a tall dark brown glass bottle (750ml) with a cork as the lid thing  with a white paper lable with blue ink printed on it, the lable has a picture of a panther peeing into a bottle and its insciption says " pure old panther ****" "aged in wood shed, bottled in barn" "distilled under our original process nad privite formula" "guaranteed 36 hours old" "made by B.Liebich and sons, barossa valley' south australia'F344" "produce of australia" and it has something printed into the glass on the bottom of the bottle and it says                         "14"
                                                                                                "a square with a line through it a triangle 72"                
                                                                                                                                                " 5301"
that is how its on the bottle um the cork has like well i think its a mold or something around the edges.
well thats all i can tell you i dont know much about bottles but i am interested in collecting them and hopefully this is my first bottle well i hope you can help me if you know anything at all about this bottle please email me at pipa@live.com.au it would be great to here from you.


yours truley
aaron

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