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Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information Website - 11/5/2004 5:23:32 PM    jfcutter Posts: 54 Joined: 10/27/2004 From: Beautiful Klamath Falls, Oregon Status: offline Howdy! This is Bill the creator (creation still in progress) and maintainor of the Bureau of Land Management's "Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information Website." I hope the site will be a useful tool for both collectors and historic archaeologists in the dating and typing (i.e. what a bottle was used for) of historic bottles. I encourage any and everyone to take a look at the site and tell me what they think. I'm open to suggestions for additions or changes and would be interested in whatever is on your mind pertinent to the subject matter discussed in depth on that site. I would also like to hear about how you found the site useful or informative! As a reminder, be aware that the site is still incomplete and virtually all the links to the larger pictures & illustrations do not function as yet. I just do not have enough server space to load all the picture as yet. However, within a couple months that will be rectified by loading the site on the BLM's server. That will entail a new URL, so stay tuned... Bill p.s. Also take a look at my personal bottle website. I specialize in medicinal tonic bottles, but collect all types of old (pre-WW1) bottles. Attachment (1) < Message edited by jfcutter -- 11/5/2004 6:40:14 PM > Post #: 1

RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 11/5/2004 6:13:25 PM    IRISH   Posts: 1238 Joined: 11/23/2002 From: cockatoo Australia Status: offline Hi Bill, welcome to the forum and I hope we can provide you with all the info you need . (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 2

RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 11/7/2004 2:06:54 PM    ronvae Posts: 253 Joined: 8/14/2004 Status: offline Awesome site! Wonderful project! I just got back from a dive in 48F water, found an embossed Grainbelt bottle (ABM, but embossing makes them fun), and an old iron somebody was using for an anchor. Nice to warm my toes while exploring your site... (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 3

RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 11/7/2004 7:53:18 PM    TheDiggerBoy91   Posts: 609 Joined: 10/11/2004 Status: offline Why couldn't you make this site when I started collecting bottles 5 years ago? AWESOME!!!!! (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 4

RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 11/10/2004 11:23:59 PM    jfcutter Posts: 54 Joined: 10/27/2004 From: Beautiful Klamath Falls, Oregon Status: offline Thanks for the kind words IRISH, ronvae & The DiggerBoy91!! It will be quite a while until the site is completed, but I can see light at the end of the tunnel. Just hope the light isn't a train coming my way.... Bill _____________________________ Bill Lindsey - Klamath Falls, OR. Author of the BLM/SHA's "Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information Website" http://www.sha.org/bottle/index.htm (...and a collector of American mouth-blown bottles) (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 5

RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 1/5/2005 3:33:56 PM    jfcutter Posts: 54 Joined: 10/27/2004 From: Beautiful Klamath Falls, Oregon Status: offline Quick update on the BLM's "Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Informaton Website"....it has now moved to it's permanent link on the BLM server which is as follows: http://www.blm.gov/historic_bottles/index.htm Though not as yet completed (later in 2005 or early 2006 I expect) it is still chock full of bottle related information including a dating key (Dating link near the top of the link bar on the left side of the main pages). The old location of the website (my personal webspace) now only has a page that directs users to the new location. Bill < Message edited by jfcutter -- 1/5/2005 3:34:32 PM > _____________________________ Bill Lindsey - Klamath Falls, OR. Author of the BLM/SHA's "Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information Website" http://www.sha.org/bottle/index.htm (...and a collector of American mouth-blown bottles) (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 6

RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 1/12/2005 1:55:21 AM    drjhostetters   Posts: 162 Joined: 3/2/2004 Status: offline Hey Bill.... Just tapped into this thread (check the ADMIN thread for my commentary to you) and I was shocked to see a Levinger's Drug: Baker, Oregon bottle in the picture...I went to every antique/what-not-shop/second hand store here in Baker City (formerly Baker, Oregon) looking for an embossed Baker or Baker City bottle, (the city has had three name changes), to send to my friend Norm...the "Mainedigger" in the state of Maine..and here you have one in your collection...where did you find it? Do I assume you have spent some time here in our fair city? or...???? Am I surprised...impressed or what??? The Doc.... _____________________________ The Doctor...Dr. J (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 7

RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 1/12/2005 1:57:59 AM    drjhostetters   Posts: 162 Joined: 3/2/2004 Status: offline P.S. Those are some beautiful bottles...espicially the ink bottle in the front! The Doc... _____________________________ The Doctor...Dr. J (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 8

RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 1/12/2005 9:01:22 AM    jfcutter Posts: 54 Joined: 10/27/2004 From: Beautiful Klamath Falls, Oregon Status: offline Hi there "Doc"... I grew near Portland and as a teenager dug bottles in the Portland urban renewal bottle digging utopia in the late 1960's. We actually found two of the Levinger's in an outhouse hole in Portland! Strange, eh? However, we would commonly find druggist bottles from distant places...one was from North Dakota. The other Levinger's I gave to a friend who was from Baker (City) some years back so have no extra's alas... I also have a Grace & Bodinson Drug Co. Baker, Oregon (embossed) with the original labels! Neat bottle. I wondered if anyone would note that bottle....Since I live in eastern Oregon (Klamath Falls) I also collect Oregoni bottles in general.... Bill _____________________________ Bill Lindsey - Klamath Falls, OR. Author of the BLM/SHA's "Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information Website" http://www.sha.org/bottle/index.htm (...and a collector of American mouth-blown bottles) (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 9

RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 1/13/2005 12:47:44 AM    drjhostetters   Posts: 162 Joined: 3/2/2004 Status: offline Bill... This is getting spookier..I was born and raised in Oregon City...graduated from O.C.H.S. in 1965..and went to school one year 65-66 at OTI (I think it is called OIT now????) in Klamath Falls...methinks our paths have crossed for a reason...????? And imagine finding , not 1..but 2 Baker bottles in the same dig...they are getting rare here in B.C...I do have a Levinger Drug,the same as yours I believe...and I sent Mainedigger another but I can't remember if it was a Levinger (which was the "Rite-Aide"/"Wall Drug"/"Fred Meyer" drug store of Baker, Oregon for many many years..for the benefit of our readers who don't have a clue what I'm talking about...) And I vagueley(sp) remember the name Ron Harding....getting old and the memory isn't what it used to be..you know they say there are two things that go first in old age..your memory and I forget what the other is... Keep in touch..we may share other interests and familiarities...????? The Doc... _____________________________ The Doctor...Dr. J (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 10

RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 1/15/2005 1:34:39 PM    jfcutter Posts: 54 Joined: 10/27/2004 From: Beautiful Klamath Falls, Oregon Status: offline Hi Doc.....yes OIT used to be OTI in the olden days. My Baker/Baker City bottle collection - besides the two druggist's I mentioned - is also rounded out with the 3 size set of the emerald Muegge's druggist bottles. Neat bottles and as I understand it, found in the basement of the building that Muegge's used to occupy many years ago. I've had them for about 25 years... Will stay in touch.......kindred spirit methinks.... Bill _____________________________ Bill Lindsey - Klamath Falls, OR. Author of the BLM/SHA's "Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information Website" http://www.sha.org/bottle/index.htm (...and a collector of American mouth-blown bottles) (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 11

RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 1/16/2005 1:07:41 AM    drjhostetters   Posts: 162 Joined: 3/2/2004 Status: offline Hey Bill, Sounds like I need to take a special trip over to our local library (we have a room there called the "Oregon" room specifically for the curious about early Oregon, Oregon Trail, Baker/Baker City, and surrounding communities.) I have wiled away many an hour sitting there reading diaries and factual reports of Baker City....(I should have studied Archeololgy in school!) I will have to find out about these drug stores and get back to you with some info.... In the meantime...good hunting... And by the by...just for the record...that Indian Head bottle I found was embossed on the "side" not the bottom of the bottle...the bottom had the inscription..."bottled in Burns, Oregon...1935". I wish I had known more about about bottle digging then as I do now...I would have dug deeper into the bank of that barpit to see if I could have found the neck and glued it back together and also would have hidden it from my wife (snicker snicker)... The Doc... _____________________________ The Doctor...Dr. J (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 12

RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 3/4/2005 11:05:44 AM    jfcutter Posts: 54 Joined: 10/27/2004 From: Beautiful Klamath Falls, Oregon Status: offline As an update... I just recently finished the "Bottle Body Characteristics & Mold Seams" page. The completed and edited version will be up next week (March 7th) though the partially unedited page is already on the internet. The link is: Bottle Body Characteristics & Mold Seams Now I'll be moving on to the "Bottle Typing/Diagnostic Shapes" page. That page will take quite a while to complete as it will contain - or link to - hundreds of pictures of "typical" shapes for various types of bottles. Yes, I know that if there is one rule in regards to shape and use of a bottle it is that the rules were often broken...and a given shape was used for all types of different products. However, there are definite trends where form follows function. I probably won't have that page completed until late spring or maybe even late summer, depending on other work priorities. My "real" job is in public land grazing (livestock & wild horses) management administration and that season starts ramping up over the next couple months. Stay tuned...Bill Attachment (1) < Message edited by jfcutter -- 3/4/2005 8:09:29 AM > _____________________________ Bill Lindsey - Klamath Falls, OR. Author of the BLM/SHA's "Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information Website" http://www.sha.org/bottle/index.htm (...and a collector of American mouth-blown bottles) (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 13

RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 4/1/2005 9:06:54 PM    diggin chick   Posts: 1 Joined: 4/1/2005 Status: offline I found a couple of bottles recently and would love to find out any information I can on them. One is a 1/2 gallon milk bottle with Spurlin Grade A Dairy, Carlsbad, NM Phone number 1142J on the front and a "She's Wise, She buys with her Eyes" slogan on the back. The bottle is in excellent condition but nobody here in Carlsbad remembers a Spurlin Dairy that I can find. I also found a hobbleskirt Coca Cola Bottle with Carlsbad NM on the bottom of it, it appears to be very old also. Can someone help me out here? (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 14

RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 5/2/2005 10:50:02 AM    CanadianBoy   Posts: 657 Joined: 7/25/2004 Status: offline I don't know how you get to the page,I click the link and it seems like its going and then kicks me to the main Gov.Page instead,?????? _____________________________ So many Dumps,so little time. So get DIGGING. I've been "DOWN IN THE DUMPS" since 1970. Never dug a dump, I didn't like. "May you all Dig well and Prosper" http://www.nexicom.net/~djackson/ Dave J. Ontario,Canada. (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 15

RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 5/2/2005 1:56:54 PM    jfcutter Posts: 54 Joined: 10/27/2004 From: Beautiful Klamath Falls, Oregon Status: offline Just to let everyone know, the Historic Bottle Website is - with most all of the Bureau of Land Management websites - not functional due to "unanticipated maintenance." Translation: There is currently a wave of internet security paranoia going around the Department of Interior and all websites (or the servers?) are being checked to make sure they are "secure." Secure from what I don't know...I'm too low in the pecking order to be privy to that kind of information. Hopefully the website will be up and functional again soon, but I have no idea of the timeframes. Sorry for the inconvenience. Bill _____________________________ Bill Lindsey - Klamath Falls, OR. Author of the BLM/SHA's "Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information Website" http://www.sha.org/bottle/index.htm (...and a collector of American mouth-blown bottles) (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 16

RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 5/30/2005 9:15:28 PM    jfcutter Posts: 54 Joined: 10/27/2004 From: Beautiful Klamath Falls, Oregon Status: offline Hi all! The Historic Bottle Identification & Information Website is back on-line!!! _____________________________ Bill Lindsey - Klamath Falls, OR. Author of the BLM/SHA's "Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information Website" http://www.sha.org/bottle/index.htm (...and a collector of American mouth-blown bottles) (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 17

RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 1/9/2006 1:38:28 AM    capsoda Posts: 7917 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Hi Bill, The web site is incredible. Its good to see some old fashion deductive investigation and common sence used to date and identify bottles. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 18

RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 1/9/2006 7:44:43 PM    jfcutter Posts: 54 Joined: 10/27/2004 From: Beautiful Klamath Falls, Oregon Status: offline Hi and thanks for the compliment on the website "capsoda"! Really appreciate that. I have tried to use some common sense - and deductive reasoning - as you note in the approach to the subject of bottle dating & typing. It - the website - has been a fun experience which will never end. I'm at least a year or two from "finishing" but will actually never bee done 'cause I'll be refining and adding to it forever. There are many things that can be stated about the dating of bottles that are not necessarily absolute (nothing is in the bottle dating world) but have a high probability of being right. That is the best that can be done...and that is were I am trying to clarify things for people so that collectors & archaeologists alike can have a tool to tell them at least a little something about the age and type bottle they have. Keep looking at the Historic Bottle Website whenever you can...I add more things every week. I am currently wrapping up the editing & review of the Soda & Mineral Waters page and am next moving to the Glassmaking & Glassmakers page, taking a break from the complex of Bottle Typing pages (Liquor, Wine, Beer, & Soda are now complete with four more to go still). Thanks again.............Bill < Message edited by jfcutter -- 1/9/2006 4:45:14 PM > _____________________________ Bill Lindsey - Klamath Falls, OR. Author of the BLM/SHA's "Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information Website" http://www.sha.org/bottle/index.htm (...and a collector of American mouth-blown bottles) (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 19

RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 1/9/2006 10:27:22 PM    capsoda Posts: 7917 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Hey Bill, I'm in it all of the time. My wife says I nuts because I am often caught by her reading at 2 or 3 in the AM. She claims no one needs to know that much about bottles but she gets caught up in it too. If you ever go to print give me an early heads up and I'll get a dump truch and pick my copy up.LoL _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 20

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