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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 1/9/2006 10:49:40 PM   
jfcutter


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Hi again Warren....You sound like a guy who needs his wife worrying about him....ha! Yes, there is a lot of information there on the website isn't there?

I haven't precisely figured it out of recent, but I think the website - not including all the linked, enlarged pictures or pdf files - prints out at somthing like 600+ pages...and its not completed as yet. A dump truck would be needed for sure.

I have had numerous people (mostly archaeologists) contact me saying that they actually have printed it out! Must have needed a new printer after all that in addition to the dump truck.

Your wife is a good woman if she peeks at the site too...keep her.

Bill

p.s. Bottles aren't my only passion and hobby...here is a picture of me in AK with an example of my other hobby pursuit. Just showing this to prove that I'm multi-faceted...fish is a Dolly Varden.




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http://www.sha.org/bottle/index.htm
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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 1/9/2006 11:47:23 PM   
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Why in the world would you want to leave on of the few unspoiled and really beautiful fishing areas in the world to fish! I got a chance to fish in Oregon back in the 80s and it was amazing. Arkansas has some neat local bottles, coins and a diamond mine to boot so I guess I understand.

My wife is my digging buddy and will jump over you for a cobalt anything.

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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 1/9/2006 11:59:15 PM   
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JFCutter...

Hi Bill... Your website is incredible!! Congratulations to a fantastic work in progress

You really should look into publishing all that info... People are crying for such information in such an easily understandable format....

Now, you go "Fish wrestling" instead of bottle hunting?? Well OK... I'd Like to get my hands on a "Dolly Parton" too ...it sure don't look like her but...it sure is pretty

Wayne

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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 1/10/2006 9:31:02 AM   
jfcutter


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Thanks to you too Wayne for the compliment on the website. It has been a lot of work and personal expense (BLM allows me some work time for it only...and of course the server space) but worth it all.

I probably still have 1-2 years to complete it at the relatively slow rate I'm working on it. What you see is 3 years worth of real part-time work. I still have to do my regular job in range & wild horse management...but my co-workers have taken up some of the slack fortunately, and I thank them for it.

The thought of publishing some summary of what is on the website has been suggested quite a bit. It is a good thought, but I've been pushing it to the back of my mind and will until I "finish" the website. Then we'll see. By then I will most likely be retired and may pursue some publishing - either via a BLM publication or independently.

To my knowledge, the only other publication that closely approximates what I'm doing on the Historic Bottle Website was Olive Jones & Catherine Sullivan's 1989 "The Parks Canada - Glass Glossary" which is out of print and hard to acquire today. It is used widely by archaeologists but just about unknown in the collector world. However, it has much more limited information than the website and is somewhat directed towards systematic classification methods (measurements and the like).

To me the main "problem" with that book is that in the professional archy world, most all information must be referenced and tied back to some other reliable person publishing it. Speculation is OK, but only in small doses it seems - most things have to be tied to absolute or verifiable information which is not that abundant when dealing with bottles made 100-200 years ago where surviving records about them are limited or never existed.

I am not necessarily handcuffed by that standard, but I recognize the utility of it. If some bit of information is based on another reliable persons empirical or systematic analysis, then it is more legitimate. I try, however, to do my own analysis based on almost 40 years of looking at bottles (and the thoughts of others like the people that use Antique-Bottles.com), but I also refer to hundreds of different references - professional and avocational - in supporting my contentions about bottle dating (and typing). Many of the points I make are well known in the collector world (like tooled versus true applied lips), but not universally so and even less so in the archaeological world. Thus, the Historic Bottle Website.

(Remember, the justification for the BLM allowing me to do this website is that it be a tool for professional archaeologists inside the government, though of course the website is inevitably used more by collectors since there are many more collectors than there are archaeologists.)

Sorry that got so long...a little soapbox'n which can be fun at times. In any event, I think the BLM bottle website takes a huge leap forward in the amount of information presented and analyzed relative to the systematic dating (and typing) of historic bottles.

I only stuck the fishing picture in the message to prove that I'm not totally obsessed with bottles and the bottle website, but it's close. Incidently, the fish was released unharmed...a 24" Dolly V. (or P.).

Bill

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Case Gin Bottles in Africa - 3/22/2006 4:10:38 AM   
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I am new at this so please forgive any lack of ediquitte.

I am currently living in Africa and have been for 10 years. Case Gin bottles are very common here. The dredgers bring them up (they dredge free diving with baskets), I have not been paying much attention lately but I have purchased loads of bottles for as little a 2 dollars each and taken suitcases full back to the states. My deceased wife used to make a coffee liquer and put it in the bottles to give out for Christmas.

Most of the bottles are J.J.W. Peters with a bird dog, v.Hoytema&co., African or blank. I had one once that had a lion on it and foolishly gave it away thinking i would find another which I have not.

Any ideas on what to look for are appreciated, nobody knows much about them here and the Africans have little regard for them.

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RE: Case Gin Bottles in Africa - 3/22/2006 7:40:01 AM   
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Case Gin bottles


Hi Jim... Welcome to the forum!

I personally own one of the "African" gins, as well as a Hoytema... They can sell from $30 to $50+ over here in the states... The bird dog Peters in good shape can go for more... Keep your eye peeled for the Melcher's Cosmopoliet with a hatted man... Those could go in the $150 range... And any bottle with a figural seal should be researched thoroughly before putting it on the market...

Gin was reportedly the currency of choice in the slave trade, and I'd say your experience with all those bottles supports that premise... That makes these tapered gins especially desireable in terms of their historic significance...

Ron




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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 3/29/2006 6:49:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: capsoda

Why in the world would you want to leave on of the few unspoiled and really beautiful fishing areas in the world to fish! ... Arkansas has some neat local bottles, coins and a diamond mine to boot so I guess I understand.


Uhhh Warren? AK means Alaska dude, last time I checked them cold water fishies like Dolly Varden were pretty scarce in Arkansas!

Sorry, couldn't resist

Sean

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RE: Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information ... - 3/29/2006 8:21:02 PM   
capsoda


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Yeah Sean, I know but I couldn't resist either.

Bout the only fish left in Arkansas were under 11 when Bill left.

I was told about the Dolly Varden when I was at Elmandorf AFB for a week on my way to the beeeeautiful Black Pearl. Thats Shemya AFB on Shemya Island where I went through torture training for 6 weeks. Never been any where else so dismal and with such big masquitos in my life.

Never got to fish will I was there.

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