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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/7/2008 8:21:39 PM   
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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/7/2008 8:31:38 PM   
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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/7/2008 8:57:35 PM   
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Thanks LOBEY...I really do value your judgements in most instances...

(if you're not being sarcastic that is. With you, it's often difficult to know)

Dead serious Charlie. You hit the nail on the noggin!

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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/7/2008 9:13:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RedGinger



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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/7/2008 9:28:52 PM   
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Everybody makes good points and I think people arguing for being public have just not been exposed to the negatives, personally. Doesn’t anybody wonder why you don’t hear from many good privy diggers from the Midwest on these forums? I probably post more than most but I am still very careful what I post. I am a ROOKIE compared to a lot of diggers in this part of the country. It’s not that the digging is not good here, guys have just paid the price. Cities like St. Louis have probably produced as many good bottles as anywhere with maybe the exception of Philly & Brooklyn. Hell, there are pontilled sodas from there that sell for only $20, I would say a few bottles have been dug. Don’t see many stories in the old bottle mags or newspaper articles though. This is for good reason, and it isn’t greed. Help me out guys, I know there are some members that don’t post from this part of the country, feel free to chime in.
  Nothing personal, but I always find that when these discussions come up it is always guys who don’t dig privies that have the opinion that they are an endless resource. Do you Western diggers have an easy time finding undug pre 1870 pits? If you did you could fill the piggy bank digging them, nowadays. How hard would it be for a newcomer who had no knowledge of the area to find pits. In St. Louis and other Illinois river cites, old holes are almost impossible to find undug or are covered with concrete and asphalt. I can still find a good number of spots in Ohio but most of the prime spots are long gone.. I’ll invite any out of towner to come try there luck in Zanesville, I hear Wheeling is no picnic, either. Zane & Craig, I bet Steubenville is full of undug spots, right? Towns that are dug this hard where done so for a reason, not by accident. Just like anything else 90% of the good bottles are found by 10% of the diggers. On top of that 90% of the bottles come out of 10% of the privies. These prives are sometimes found in groups in certain areas of certain cities. Any veterans, disagree? Those guys digging a lot of bottles have been around for a long time and have paid their dues. I will try to give them that respect. If we make it hard for them to access good sites our supply will dry up. There are good dumps waiting to be found but most of us are left digging the ones the guys in the 60’s,70’s & 80’s didn’t bother with. Not that they were undiscovered.
    What most collectors don’t understand is MOST small town privies are worthless, almost all country privies are a waste of time, and even some large cities are almost impossible to dig productive privies in. I am sure most of the large east coast cities have endless opportunities for digging because this is where most of the talk comes from. I love hearing the stories like we all do and try to share some of my own because that and a “little” knowledge is all I have to give. I am always happy to take a new digger out and show him the little bit I know but I am not giving it away to the world. Most of the good diggers I know and have talked to recently here in the Midwest, are certain privy digging will be a thing of the past, in the near future,here. Maybe, I am wrong and I hope that I am. If I am not, it sure is going to suck for our kids. We need good digging spots and opportunities to bring people that don’t have “money” into the hobby. With these forums and eBay, it is easier than ever to find information on digging or collecting. The mass media offers no benefit to the hobby in my opinion. It’s not the end of the world but why not play it cool and enjoy what we have? Good luck digging and shoe collecting.

< Message edited by appliedlips -- 3/7/2008 9:29:57 PM >

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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/7/2008 10:08:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the nub of it boys and girls...if a show like this is in the works it's going to happen, regardless of who's for it or who's agin it. If it sells advertising they'll run it until every privy in the country has been peeked into. If it's shown on a well watched channel like TLC or the like, people will give it a shot. But like our esteemed colleague Whiskeyman stated...how many average people after spending the day digging a craphouse and finding nothing of value will give it a second or third try?
The fact of the matter is, antique bottle collecting and digging are becoming more and more popular every day. It's been show on a few television shows, my local bookstore has a small section dedicated to it, the web is flooded with sites good and bad, and ebay....remember the days when there wheren't half as many bottles listed? I do. Our little secrets out people and theres two ways to handle it. You can promote good digging ethics and practices to the next generation of glass hounds, sharing what knowledge we've accumulated over the last twenty five years or you can bitch and moan and suck out all the joy and life, from the hobby you've come to love for yourself.
When the diggings done it's done, it can't go on forever. I doubt the suicide rate will spike in the US when all the pits have been gone over. It's a hobby and a passion, not the meaning of life. No one on this site appreciates the history, workmanship and yes the monetary value of these baubles than I do. Enjoy what you have and stop worrying about what might have been. Life's too short.

Lobey.

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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/7/2008 10:17:18 PM   
tigue710


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Status: offline 		Doug I agree with you, but as Lobey said the show is in the works from the sounds of it...  I dont care if it is me, although I would like to do it, but I want to know its someone who wont make things anyworse... 

Im having a lot doubt I even want to do it, not my thing actually...  but the idea of being paid to make a living at what I love?  Thats hard to shake...  not that I've been selected or anything either, but I am talking with them...


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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/7/2008 10:27:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		   I am not sure if this is the same guy but an internet blogger from Canada who was a member here asked a personal friend about doing a show.In his proposition he was quoted saying "Privy Digging,it's all about the money".If this is the same dude,go pimp something else.To get the show off of the ground it will take a knowledgeable person,many of which won't give them the time of day.It will not be interesting to the general public without the mention of treasure,and riches.I don't see how it can be done responsibly,that's all.If I did I would do it myself.We know the realities of the work put into finding good bottles,and still dream big.It was even worse when we were new.

 The fact is the digging won't get done without access to sites.People hear this stuff and figure "they will dig it for themselves" one day and won't get around to it.I hear that alot,several mentioning the cash and treasure show.Higher fences and wider eyes on construction sites( where a good percentage of quality finds come from).If it gets banned at some point the collecting hobby will suffer dramatically.Your right Lobey it is about enjoying what we do,and I am still like a kid in candy store when scratching through a layer,no matter the age.I don't sweat the digging getting done,I won't run out in my life time,and I welcome new,responsible diggers.What I hate is digging opportunities lost for no good reason other than someone wanting to be important.

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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/7/2008 10:48:00 PM   
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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/7/2008 10:56:10 PM   
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top of the world ma!





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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/7/2008 10:59:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		TV shows and other types of exposure can be good or bad for our hobby. It all depends on how the production is presented to the public. I would be delighted to do a show about privy digging under certain conditions. First and foremost, it would have to deal with the fact that most bottle diggers pursue the hobby out of respect for history and a liking for what we do, NOT for profit.

I would have no part of any production that suggests to the public that "digging to sell" is what I'm about. I want no connection with those who would throw away broken historical objects that could be saved, reconstructed and documented simply because the antique mall or the eBay market don't want them. There is just more to it than that. No, I am not a professional archaeologist. Some of them get way out of line with their trashing of privy diggers in general, but they do have some valid points when it comes to people who dig for the wrong reasons. There is nothing wrong with selling or trading bottles that you dig, but it should not be anyone's primary motive. Those who dig for no other reason but to make a profit don't really care about history. They don't keep any documentation, and could not care less.

If a show about privy digging could focus more on a combination of the bottle hobby AND the preservation of history, and a lot less on "cash, treasure, profit, etc.", I would be happy to participate. Most people know nothing about our hobby. If we can present it to them in a way that earns us respect instead of scorn,  public exposure can be a good thing. ~Jim


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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/7/2008 11:06:05 PM   
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deal with the fact that most bottle diggers pursue the hobby out of respect for history and a liking for what we do, NOT for profit.


that's just wrong. the direct opposite applies, even on the forum

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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/7/2008 11:10:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lobey, that is sad, but unfortunately true. I probably should not have said "most". I still believe that there are a lot of us who dig for what are (in my opinion) good reasons. ~Jim

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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/7/2008 11:18:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm new to this hobby but I think a tv show will never happen. We've all probably seen Treasure hunters on TV. Some episodes are really fascinating. For instance the show about the guy who collects meteors out in the midwest farmlands  for thousands of dollars. It made me want to jump up and take a meteor hunting trip. Unless you know what you're doing and know where to look, you'd just be wasting your time. Or the episode about herkimer diamonds. I went diamond digging last summer with the family. One day of pounding stones, i came away with a crushed thumbnail and a few small "diamonds". The fist sized nugget the host finds while filming just doesn't happen that often as is not as easy as it appears.
Bottle digging takes time and effort, both of which will turn 99 percent of people off today. Go to a dump and dig up bottles, sounds easy enough, untill you try it. one day of aching muscles and no bottles and rookies will give up soon enough.
On the other hand, if more people become interested, maybe there will be a market for ketchup botles and milk of magnesias. Sitting in front of a tv and watching a show is a lot different than actually going out and doing something.


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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/7/2008 11:19:05 PM   
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Well said Jim, thats what I've been trying to say...  If the show is all about "whats it worth"  I wouldnt have anything to do with it, if I got the chance too...


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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/8/2008 12:20:34 AM   
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Towns that are dug this hard where done so for a reason, not by accident. Just like anything else 90% of the good bottles are found by 10% of the diggers. On top of that 90% of the bottles come out of 10% of the privies. These prives are sometimes found in groups in certain areas of certain cities. Any veterans, disagree? Those guys digging a lot of bottles have been around for a long time and have paid their dues.


Doug I fully agree. I do the math like this dig 1000 privies 900 of them were a waste of my time 100 were worth digging and then most of my best finds came out of about 40 of thoes pits.

As for endless digging opportunities here in the east coast. I say come to Baltimore and try to find an undug pontil age pit. Its such a nice feeling when you finish up a whole row of houses or even an entire block. Then if your lucky to find an undug pit dig it and find your token 12 sided aqua puff in the bottom and 5 buckets of pottery to glue back together. If you want to dig post 1870s pits here have fun theres plenty of them to go around sadly they pretty much all suck. Most of the pontil age section of Wilmington is under parking lots and high rise buildings. Philadelphia has a lot of very deep and very empty privies. Granted some can be really good but the best parts of town to dig in are also the most heavily dug or hardest to get to dig in. And from my exposure to digging in Brooklyn and NY city if you don't live there and have a lot of time to gain peoples trust theres no way your getting permission to dig there.

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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/8/2008 5:18:28 AM   
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I'd wear those...


I'm pretty sure you DID wear those last time we went bar-hopping... ROR...


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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/8/2008 8:59:28 AM   
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I'm pretty sure you DID

they're nice and all, but the pert near tore out all the hair on my ankles....

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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/8/2008 12:14:33 PM   
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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/8/2008 4:04:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		well the show is going to air next year, they want to start me digging privies in the city.  I think I'll just trash some empty lots, leave the holes open and then take the film crew to the auction house... this is going to rock!  Everyone tell me what town you live in so I make sure we dig an old lady bungy trap in your back yard! ya!

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