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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/10/2008 3:37:41 PM   
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I sincerely doubt that a candidate with home-spun, self-actuated ambition such as Abraham Lincoln would stand a chance competing against the ideological appearance-driven wankers running for the highest political spot on the ticket today.




It seems as if you are well aware of how to look at the big picture, man.

If anyone, you should post on this site more often than you do. You possess a captivating writing style and an ability to express these  complexities in a refined, concise, and flowing manner. Your views are the expertly honed product of years of contemplation, and in essence I believe the exact same thing, though I yet lack the words to illuminate the truth so concretely. I want to say, though, that publicity will probably speed up the process to quite a degree, when those in office catch wind of the negative exposure given by the media to the more destructive aspects of the hobby and sense that acting on the behalf of general public safety, or to the end of sealing history underground forever (so that only proper specialists can get around to it, never), will bring them the most success in the superficial eyes of their constituency. Otherwise they wouldn't waste their time. If we can't really do anything about the shoddy state of affairs in the present US Gov't, and the money and comfort-driven society at large, then we can at least try to minimize the damage done by the media until someone worthwhile and influential takes up our flag.


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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/10/2008 4:48:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you Stephen for your sincere compliment. Likewise, your ability to extrapolate complex ideas via the written medium is equally well-honed.
I have to admit, however, that I spent years working for the print media in varying capacities and responsibilities. I turned my back on the newsroom after realizing that most repositories of news dissemination, i.e. media, filters what is received by the end-line consumer. I now have greater control over editorial content as a freelance writer and can likewise select coverage issues I feel will have the greatest impact upon my readership. 


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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/10/2008 5:57:26 PM   
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Who wants to repress the hobby?In the past couple of years I have taken a good number of guys out and shown them how to dig privies.I take my children as well as some of their friends.I belong to a couple different clubs,even though there isn't a decent one in my area.If I am certain I will be staying in the area,I will devote time and energy into changing that.I share a good number of finds on these online communities,as well as information I have learned from others..I attend every bottle show I can make it to.I tell everybody I encounter about my passion for this hobby.I have always been concerned at the lack of young people in the hobby and agree with you on that point.
Are saying there is all kinds of great stuff waiting to be dug out west and there isn't enough diggers?.I am sure that the fact that most of the redevelopment was already done in the old parts of the few old cities you western folks have,has something to do with the problem.Times have changed,although I do not have this experience you do but from what I hear it was much different 20-30 yrs ago..There were more opportunities to find good stuff for a guy getting started,guys could hunt construction sites without climbing fences or going to jail.Friends in the insulator hobby tell me the same thing is happening with their hobby.Less opportunites to "find" good stuff in the wild,without spending money is making it harder for new collector's to get started.I find that it would also be hard to get started in collecting Western bottles for a young person due to the crazy prices any decent bottle brings.
The internet though,has probably been one of the leading contributers to the slump in collecting.No need to go to a club meeting,go to the library to do research, or a bottle show.It also makes it harder to find deal in antique shops,flea markets,garage sales,etc..We got ebay,and online clubs..I try to make it a point to get somebody new to attend every bottle show I do.
I was aware of the success of the last show,the public is captivated by what we do.I don't dispute that.A well made show would not quickly disappear.Is this next show going to feature an auctioneer talking about $50,000 bottles and $300 hutches,he knows nothing about?That is what the public wants and personally I do not doubt the integrity or good intentions of those in this hobby,just the editorial twists that always seem to find their way into the content.It is not a "what if" everywhere,it has happened in some places.Again,we all have opinions and thats what makes this forum a learning tool.


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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/10/2008 6:34:29 PM   
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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/10/2008 6:56:05 PM   
tigue710


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Status: offline 		if anything this topic sure has opened up a great dialogue! 

I've decided to stay out of it now but I was thinking along the lines that Lisalou has pointed out, is it worry over loosing the ability to dig or just simple greed that has people worried?   (Excluding you Doug)


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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/10/2008 9:11:47 PM   
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Status: online 		oh you better believe it's greed Tig. Some of these folks take great offense when they see or hear about a tinhorn digging in "their" area but have no problem with creeping onto a work site (private property) in the middle of the night and sinking a hole or two. Mind you, i have no problem with this practice, just don't get all high and mighty and self righteous about it. Spouting how your saving a part of American history while waving the flag and humming glory glory hallelujah. You're there to find bottles to sell. Plain and simple. And this practice has to be guarded because dad said if you miss one more room and board payment he's gonna nail the goddamned door to you bedroom closed.....
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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/10/2008 9:32:14 PM   
baltbottles

 

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Status: offline 		Young blood in the hobby. I will say that at this years baltimore show I saw quite a few younger collectors and diggers between 20-30 years of age. and the number of new faces in general was up quite a bit. I've also noticed a lot of ex diggers from the 70s and 80s having raised familys are not getting back into the hoby in a big way. I agree with Doug on introducing new collectors to privy digging. I've had the pleaseure of taking 4 new collectors and previous dump diggers out and showing them the ropes of privy digging over the past couple years. I find that now I always have a willing digging partner and I have sparked their historical interest in everything we find even all the broken stuff is important to them. This is the way to approch thing it's nice when money isn't the deciding factor on quality of finds. We judge the finds more on age and historical interest. Spend a lot of our time researching and learning about our finds. And if we find something worth a lot of money then we try to place it in the hands of the one of us with the most interest in that type of collectable. Weather it be a flask or a pontiled Baltimore soda or a nice pontiled Wilmington or Philly bottle. There is someone in our group that will really enjoy it. I've dug with greedy people that were all about money and when we found something good it quite often got sold. I came to the conclusion along time ago that I'm not out digging for money I'm just looking to find things I have an interest in. Everyting else I find is just cake and I'll just as soon give it to a friend of mine then sell it. And I do give away a lot of nicer bottles to my friends.

Chris

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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/10/2008 10:10:38 PM   
tigue710


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Status: offline 		its hard to hold on to some of the good ones when the girl friend catches wind they are worth a few hundred bucks though!  I dont make to much money so if I ever dig anything worth more then a weeks wage I'd sell it, with a few exceptions like a New London flask or so...

I've been seeing a rising interest in genuine collectors myself.  But not so many young collectors, although I hear the average age for new collectors is 30 or so, I only see a hand full of kids getting into digging...


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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/10/2008 10:30:14 PM   
madman

 

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Status: online 		hey tigue, im just worried about greed, all the dumps ive encountered in the south were dug in the 70s, most of them are 30 40s dumps, they just dug random holes , never dug deep, looking for the money bottles, but you no what, they never found them, i did and other diggers 40 years later,  alot of good stuff in there,ive never sold a bottle, my worry is that ignorant diggers would ruin it for others mike

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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/10/2008 10:49:15 PM   
MINNESOTA DIGGER

 

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Status: offline 		I am all for new diggers . but the politics of this show and its effects on laws could become repressive to our hobby WE DONT NEED MORE LAWS for a hobby that does not hurt any thing . as far as out house pits go if you get permission from property owner the state should not be involved

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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/11/2008 12:07:19 AM   
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it's nice when money isn't the deciding factor on quality of finds. We judge the finds more on age and historical interest.


My sentiments exactly, Chris. I wish more people would realize that there are diggers like us who value history over a quick buck. I have a 7 to 3 weekday job to pay the bills. Some of us dig because we love history, not to sell. ~Jim




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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/11/2008 1:05:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JGUIS

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ORIGINAL: lobeycat

waaaaa waaaaaa waaaaaa no more holes to dig. what ever will i do, waaaaaa? Waaaaaaaa granny fell in a hole and broke her hip, waaaaaaaa. I'll get you granny and your little dog to, waaaaaa.

Top of the world maaaaaaa.............waaaaaaa
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ORIGINAL: tigue710

well the show is going to air next year, they want to start me digging privies in the city.  I think I'll just trash some empty lots, leave the holes open and then take the film crew to the auction house... this is going to rock!  Everyone tell me what town you live in so I make sure we dig an old lady bungy trap in your back yard! ya!

Real mature attitudes, I'm glad we have such devoted collectors to represent us on a global scale. 


Call me stupid, I'll give ya what you expect...

I've never called you anything, much less expected something.  Good luck in whatever you decide, make us proud.

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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/11/2008 5:34:43 AM   
jesster64

 

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Status: offline 		Hobbies come and hobbies go.I've experienced it with baseball card collecting, watching cards go from 25 cents a pack to 7 dollars a pack. Insert cards that make it too expensive to complete a full set. Seeing kids today opening packs and throwing common cards in the garbage. I've experienced it with autograph collecting where athletes and celebs just yell e-bay at you when you ask for an autograph today. Or you go to a show and they charge an arm and a leg for a signature. I've seen beer can collecting explode and then become almost extinct. My father has a large stamp collection dating back to his grandfather. Unless you own the upside down plane, stamp collecting is almost a forgotten art. Metal detecting used to be free and fun, now everyones got liability fears and its hard to get permission to walk on property without breaking a dozen trespassing laws..
Everybody wants a quick buck. Anique roadshow has you believing your attic holds thousands in treasures. Flip this house makes you believe you can buy any property, have someone fix it up, and sell it for thousands. Hidden treasures has you believing you can dig up meteors just about anywhere and sell them for thousands. Beanie babies were all the rage for a few years.
I believe bottle digging is safe. It requires effort and todays kids would rather be on the playstation playing a bottle digging computer game. If for some reason bottle digging catches fire for a short period of time, the people making real money will be those not digging, but selling books on how to dig, selling bottle brushes and tumblers. During the california gold rush, it wasn't the diggers getting rich, but those supplying the digging equipment.
I've only been at it for 6 months, but I'm hooked for life. i can go to a show and buy pretty much any bottle i want, but there's nothing like going out and digging one up yourself. Bottle digging is a great hobby. It would be a lousy business though. just my 2 cents. And I do bring my daughter with me when I go.

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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/11/2008 7:20:45 PM   
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I was aware of the success of the last show,the public is captivated by what we do.I don't dispute that.A well made show would not quickly disappear.Is this next show going to feature an auctioneer talking about $50,000 bottles and $300 hutches,he knows nothing about?That is what the public wants and personally I do not doubt the integrity or good intentions of those in this hobby,just the editorial twists that always seem to find their way into the content.It is not a "what if" everywhere,it has happened in some places.Again,we all have opinions and thats what makes this forum a learning tool.




As much as I hate to, lets face it, that's what any treasure hunting TV show is all about, someone digging up buried treasure that's worth money. Man's fascination with finding buried treasure is nothing new. I don't  like that image as a bottle digger and it's unfortunate we're often viewed  like that.    

I agree with you that the last show was almost laughable in the way they evaluated  their finds.  That was not what diggers needed in terms of talking about bottles being worth tens of thousands of dollars and way over inflated prices on just a bunch of just regular dug junk. Good luck on your next permission dig when the homeowner sees junkers come out that he now thinks are worth a fortune thanks to that show. You won't be seeing any $300 hutches  or talk about $50,000 bottles this time. I think it will definitely be a reality check as far as that one goes.

The public is clueless as to the dues we pay before hitting a good hole with some
decent payers. All they usually see are instant  finds in about 15 television  minutes that are always worth more than the effort that went into getting them. That's a fantasy as we all know but is what the public wants to see because those times we're paying our dues wouldn't make for very good TV.



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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/11/2008 8:03:50 PM   
baltbottles

 

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Status: offline 		People think this hobby is going to make them rich they are crazy. How many members does this forum have? Last look says 7265 members. Of all those members how many $5000+ dollar things have been dug since the forum was started. A little over 6 years ago. I can remember about 4 things in that price range found So lets say each member of this forum spends an average of 1 hour a month out actually digging. So that’s 7265 members times 1 hour a month times 12 months times 6 years So that’s 523,080 man hours of digging to find 4 exceptional items worth a total of about $84,000 divided by 523,080 hours equals 16 cents an hour congratulations we are all pretty stupid lol Now granted I'm sure there were other exceptional finds made during this time that were not posted on the forum but there are also many diggers that are not forum members. I think by time we take into account just the fuel spent alone driving to digging sites and we are all in the red anyway.

Chris

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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/11/2008 10:41:08 PM   
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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/11/2008 11:35:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow.   I have read each post in this thread. Remember, as promised, I will respond to everyone that emailed personal information to the gmail address I provided.   First let me express my sincere admiration at the level of online community evidenced here on Antique-Bottles. Net and not just in this thread, but all over the domain. My thanks to the administrators and moderators that allowed the free and open flow of information.

you all have helped me, I feel obliged to answer some of your questions, as best I can...
  RE: Candidates? We are very impressed with some individuals that have come forward. As I have not yet spoken to these people, I cannot elaborate at this time, and will not likely ever write more on the subject.   RE: Our identity? Another subject off limits is ‘our business’.   RE: TV Show Concept? I love all your ideas and stories and I share your concerns. I do. But honestly despite my unfortunate choice of the moniker 'TreasureTVProducer' our premise has almost nothing to do with treasure hunting.

Without divulging ANY clues…both the ‘metal detector’ and the 'privyrod' in our concept are two of several dozen tools, like a magnifying glass or an infrared camera... The show invents new ways to tell history stories from the ground up. We seek an expert ‘bottle digger’ for his (or her) passion which in my experience is something money can’t buy, and actors can’t fake.
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and ideas here in this discussion - your emotion is genuine.



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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/12/2008 12:58:48 AM   
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your emotion is genuine.





Duh.  I'm not sure if you're for real, but you sure got people talking.  Let us know when the show airs so we can find out what in the world you're talking about

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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/12/2008 1:20:23 AM   
Leisalu

 

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Status: offline 		I'd be real careful about giving up any information to someone who doesn't want to reveal their identity. A legitimate company would not hide their name in secrecy and be so vague like this guy is doing. A true professional TV production company would not solicit on forums for something like this either.

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RE: TV production company looking for real 'diggers' - 3/12/2008 5:20:52 AM   
cordilleran

 

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Status: offline 		I agree with you, Red Ginger and Leisalu (and the rest of you naysayers). As a former news-mutt this guy (or gal) doesn't come across as a representative of the media. I am by birthright and profession skeptical anyway. The post is vague, lacking the succinctness I would expect from a fellow journalist. Rather, this person's dialogue seems tainted with gratuitous dollops of succinic acid, a compound frequently found in pharmaceuticals and perfumes. Moreover, his or her syntax and grammar lacks the Freudian "anal retentiveness" characteristic of a career scribe whose very livelihood is predicated on axiomatically "crossing the T's and dotting the I's" . Granted, I spent a fair amount of time teaching broadcast journalists how to write simple declarative sentences in J-school. Perhaps this author claims a similar alma mater, a school of thought erected on appearance rather than substance. Nevertheless, for the sake of credibility, a representative of mass communication owes it to this forum to present his or her press pass before proceeding with their elusive, sugar-coated entertainments.  Asi es la vida.

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